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Post by Wß on Nov 23, 2015 12:27:11 GMT
Ferrari finish 1-2 at Ferrari Finali Mondiali!
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Post by racechick on Nov 28, 2015 12:32:59 GMT
Ferrari under investigation again for using Haas to develop the car. ( everyone knew they were doing it except the butt hurt Merc/ lewis haterz, well they must have know too, but 'head in the sand' jobbie, and lets go on and on about Mercedes doing a dummy pit stop, because a dummy pitstop....that's REAL cheating)
The FIA have passed the buck to the stewards.
Decision coming before the race start tomorrow.
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Post by racechick on Nov 29, 2015 12:18:48 GMT
Ferrari have got away with the cheating ( surprise, surprise)
But from this point forward the loophole has been closed.
So there was a loophole through which Ferrari cheated. And it's now been closed.
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Post by Wß on Nov 29, 2015 12:36:41 GMT
Mercedes once again stifling competition. :Grumble:
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Nov 29, 2015 12:39:31 GMT
Everyone knew Ferrari were cheating, but I think Merc decided to leave it till the end of the season to allow Ferrari to catch up a bit more. Merc gave Ferrari help with their engine over winter and let them have staff, we know Ferrari had an extra 100mill on top of their budget which already includes the 90mill special handout. And we also heard that Shell brought 1/2 second in lap time.
Everything has been done to try and get Ferrari more competitive, hopefully they can now stand on their own feet and try catch up without cheating in 2016
We wouldnt want Merc to have access to unlimited 24hr aero development
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Post by racechick on Nov 29, 2015 12:41:20 GMT
Indeed it was Mercedes asking for clarification in the rules, regarding using a B team/ partner to develop your car through the season when development is banned.
How unsporting of Mercedes. Ferrrari should be allowed to win any way they can think of, they're Ferrari after all!!
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Nov 30, 2015 11:10:53 GMT
Lets hope Ferrari are not ashamed by this handout from the competition and will gain confidence in their ability to catch up and provide sterner competition next year. For the sake of the whole sport
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Post by Hammer on Nov 30, 2015 11:14:58 GMT
How embarrassing. Gets a free handout from the governing body, cheats with a newbie, some extra helping from their main rivals (leaving it so late) and still finishes a distant 2nd. "Red Passion"...more like "Red Faced Losers".
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Post by LRW on Dec 15, 2015 10:38:59 GMT
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Post by Wß on Dec 15, 2015 12:16:13 GMT
Where else can Ferrari go?
Touring cars? No, not their target demographic. WEC? LMP? No, they'd have five times the competition and be the small fish in a big pond. Tudor & Le Mans GT? Yes, they are already there and even manage to win on occasion but they'd be competing against a lot of factory and independent teams that also manage to win on occasion.
Conclusion? Hollow threat same as it ever was.
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Post by Hammer on Dec 15, 2015 14:31:41 GMT
Oh great, this would be the 145th time they've used this threat.
I'm sick of hearing this shit since I've been waiting for them to piss off over a decade ago.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Dec 15, 2015 19:15:18 GMT
Again Ferrari show their true colours.
Many teams including Merc raised questions about the extended season, with Merc concerned about the extra work load on its staff and the effects on families.
Ferrari though have just com straight out with it and are taking it as an opportunity to wring more money out of FOM in addition to the 100 mill 'special needs' handout. Now the best funded team wont pay its staff extra unless its given a handout. This is in addition to stiffling the smaller teams and threatening to do a Red Bull (again) if they dont get their way. All they want to do is protect their number 2 slot behind the champions and run around the track with their lame duck Iceman driver just making up the numbers to sell handbags and t shirts to some of the dumbest and sheeplike robofans.
Its embarrasing
Ferrari has backed Mercedes in worrying about next year's unprecedentedly-long race calendar. The FIA recently approved an increase in the maximum number of races per season from 20 to 21, as Germany returns and Azerbaijan joins the calendar. But Mercedes chief Toto Wolff thinks the new schedule pushes teams beyond what is "feasible" in terms of the workload for staff with families.
Ferrari president Sergio Marchionne, meanwhile, is worried about the financial aspect. "Bernie now has to come to the teams to ensure that all of them can come to the 21 races that he has put on the schedule," he is quoted by Finland's Turun Sanomat newspaper.
"The maximum number of grands prix has been increased, so Bernie knows what he has to do now," Marchionne added. "He has to raise more money to ensure that all the teams are able to come to that many races." Team boss Maurizio Arrivabene backed his fellow Italian, declaring that "It is clear that there will be some help from FOM, because the calendar is really crazy." (GMM)
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Post by Wß on Dec 16, 2015 14:57:30 GMT
Great loyalty to it's drivers by Ferrari... at least that's what we're always told.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Dec 17, 2015 11:46:41 GMT
I think Ferrari are going to selfishly pull out of F1 for its own greedy reasons and this is just the excuse. Lets remeber that Sergio is not some dumb arsed accidental fizzy drinks magnate without huge pro shareholders to keep sweet, he is a guy who cant be seen to be backing down or using fake and empty threats. This would not work for his position as head of one of the biggest industries. He is not a DiMontedodo who can talk crap all day with no one caring less.
Especially as FCA are about to dump all the rest of the Ferrari stock on the market, there will be more pressure for a better ROI on its shares. This can be achieved by cutting costs or increasing sales. If either of those paths is chosen then its safe to assume that Ferrari are now more likely than ever to abandon F1, maintian the racing heritage in cheaper ways, and start marketing and advertising the brand and selling everything they can think off as well as increasing the sales of the cars, albeit pushing it towards Porsche by producing more models, cheaper models, SUVs etc.
This business model would not need F1 and its dwindling audience. Indeed this model would leverage the F1 heritage and saturate the market with products exploiting the heritage. Yes the brand would ‘cheapen’ and the top en cars would lose a lot of prestige, but they would sell a shitload more stuff until the tackyness catches up with buyer in China etc
They could treble their car output by selling a 100k cheap sports car, and by selling SUVs. And double their production by selling handbags and perfumes for a huge markup to their 'passionate' fans
I think Ferrari are almost obliged to go down this route providing when most of the remaining 90% is dumped by the FCA shareholders
We could finally be saying goodbye to the most stupid and ignorant sports fans in history (unless one starts hanging out on perfume and handbag forums), this could be the boost the sagging world of F1 needs - a chance to rebuild the top series without handing out special needs and extra help to a team to help them finish second
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Dec 20, 2015 22:04:32 GMT
I posted this in the Seb thread when it should be in the Ferrari one
The fact about the Hybrid regulation era is that the rules are preventing teams from beating Ferrari like before
We can see that poor Ferrari have been suffering from restrictive rules for a decade that have prevented them from being competitive, which is why they have been so poor every single year before and after Alonso was there. They complained about the aero rules saying they wanted more engine focused regs and now they have their wish and have cemented 2nd place, because the hybrid regs have prevented other teams from staying ahead of Ferrari
So Ferrari are only in second (their best placing in almost a decade) because the hybrid rules held back the teams like Lotus, Red Bull, McLaren and Williams who usually beat them in the V8 era
No wonder they are now trying using their veto to try and stop the smaller teams who are on a shoetring from competing for that secon place
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Post by racechick on Dec 21, 2015 1:05:07 GMT
Ive thought for a while that Ferrari might go down the 'cheap sports car' route. Not a whole range of them , just one. That's affordable to a lot more people. Say about K50 or so. The rest would remain top end luxury. Then all the 'passionates' ' could own a Ferrarai., but Ferrari would still retain the luxury end. That would make them loads of money.
Don't know about really leaving F1. I tend to think at the moment it's empty threats but you never know.
Hey Cookie. Not all Ferrari fans are stupid and ignorant. Just a notable few. Ive come across some knowledgeable and fair minded Ferrari fans in my time. I guess all teams and drivers have fans from the ape end of the spectrum, some just attract more than others.
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Post by Wß on Dec 21, 2015 1:18:31 GMT
Well said racechick perhaps you should introduce some of those well informed and fair minded fans to cookie. He's not met any of them. I'm with you, I've met a few but man they're in the minority even in a Ferrari fan based forum.
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Post by racechick on Dec 21, 2015 1:51:35 GMT
We ALL know a fair minded and well informed Ferrai fan!! And I can think of a couple of others ive met on forums too. It's just that sadly, their voices get drowned out by the more vocal, less rational frenzied supporters.
Other than on forums, ive met Ferrari fans at races, even Monza, who've been fair about things and cool to hang around.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Dec 21, 2015 10:19:57 GMT
From experience I know that anyone who is a passionate fan of the F1 team, i.e a Tifosi is likely to be a complete moron with a lack of imagination or initiative and fascistic leanings
Lets look at the logic. This team were a bucket case for a couple of decades before the Todt/Brawm/MS period. Since then any new fans are too new to know shit, and any fans old enough to be from before that era has to be mentally suspect to wave flags and paint their faces for an inefficient corrupt cheating uncaring cynical commercialized organisation
Apart from those groups the vast majority are just fans who buy into it for non racing reasons, i.e. marketing etc
The biggest sign F1 was dying a death was when I sat in the Shanghai main grandstand surrounded entirely by red Ferrari flag waving muppets who wouldnt know an F1 car from an illegal taxi - but they all knew Ferrari needed face painting and 'passion' and that Kimi was the best just because
To be fair though, I did know a really old fan who liked Ferrari and was knowledeable but then he was an Alpha Romeo nut and probably confused the 2 companies
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Post by Wß on Dec 21, 2015 14:54:18 GMT
Is it voiced getting drowned out or is it that they are not many in numbers? I know from the there was one guy... ferrariguy or something like that, who was very even keeled and rational. Liam has always been the case but there's got to be a reason why there are not so many. I mean, yeah we're pretty heavy handed on the Lewis fan side here but to a fault everyone has called the guy a nincompoop when needed, Hungary this year as an example. In any case, everyone is welcomed but it's pointless to argue with idiots that don't have any foundation in reality to form their opinions. It seems that for the lion's share of Tifuzzy opinions and facts are equal in weight when put to text in a forum.
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