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Post by racechick on Oct 13, 2015 9:39:47 GMT
BUT BETTER? ? WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT FRONTRUNNER!!!!! Do you suggest I use soap as well RC. Of course soap!
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Post by Wß on Oct 26, 2015 13:39:41 GMT
Kyviat should be sent back to Toro Rosso and Max brought up to Red Bull. Yesterday we saw how inexperienced Daniil was, overcooking it time and time again at turn 1 in attempts to either overtake or stay ahead and always coming out the short end.
Max drove a mature and thought through race yesterday.
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Post by racechick on Oct 30, 2015 22:47:45 GMT
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Post by racechick on Oct 31, 2015 13:03:59 GMT
Brundle is predicting Verstappen will end up at Ferrari or Merceces. Well that's mighty profound of Brundle! How long have we been saying that? They reckon there will be a bidding war between Ferrari and Mercedes for this driver and I can see exactly why. In the short term Vettel might not want him in the team. I doubt Lewis would be bothered who he has alongside him, but merc , so long as they feel they can secure both championships, may be happier without the intense battle between Max and Lewis. But forget the short term. This guy is the future. He's the one with the spark, the something else, and his trump card is he has ten years on the current cream of the crop. Mercedes and Ferrari want him tied up for the future. And they want to ensure they have him and not their main competitor. Red Bull will also want to hold on to him. But to get him, they need to offer a race seat. He was offered reserve this year with Mercedes but turned it down because he wanted a race seat, so he was loaned to Torro Rosso. So Mercedes have a sort of claim. But it will be interesting to watch. If it comes to it I think Mercedes would drop Rosberg to secure Max for the future, even at the expense of a few turbulent years.
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Post by RyRy on Oct 31, 2015 15:14:47 GMT
That's because they're already bidding to get him, the fact that he's always been impressive in the wet in previous racing series and we see it in F1 already I would pay a shit ton if I was Mercedes because you'd then have two drivers who are natural racing drivers who both excel in the wet. I've always rated drivers who can excel in the wet as better drivers as they can feel the grip and adjust accordingly
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Post by racechick on Oct 31, 2015 15:32:42 GMT
I agree RyRy. I think Mercedes should go all out to get him. ( and thats from a Lewis fan who knows it will be a harder task for Lewis against Max that against Rosberg) There'll be some fireworks Im sure, but what a delight, those two together. I've fancied that pairing for a while. If they get him he'd be in the car in 2017. Not long.
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Post by Wß on Jan 18, 2016 20:00:58 GMT
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Post by Wß on Mar 28, 2016 19:47:13 GMT
One race into the season and the reading between the lines rumor mill is already at full tilt?!?! Oy vey.
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Post by Wß on Apr 13, 2016 12:04:30 GMT
In depth writeup on Verstappen, I think it's weird how this sport talks up certain drivers and the headline here, is he ready for a top team in 2017. Jules Bianchi was ready way when and still wasn't brought into the fold at Ferrari. Verstappen is far from ready IMO based on what I've seen to move into a top team but I think Kyviat is leaving the door entirely open due to his performance. Don't think anyone outside of Red Bull will have an immediate interest in him fro 2017.
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Post by LRW on Apr 13, 2016 14:43:10 GMT
Yeah I read that earlier, and thought it gave quite an insight into things I dont really consider they have to deal with.
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Post by RyRy on Apr 13, 2016 22:06:49 GMT
He needs a tough year of multiple mechanical failures, struggling with the car and needs to be a little more calculated on track, he's done a lot of dive bombing up the inside and sooner or later it will end with him t-boning a car taking both himself and them out of the race. 1-2 more years in a lower team and then I think he's ready.
Personally, I think Grosjean deserves a top team spot first as he's matured massively and is a classy driver now. Possibly also Hulkenburg & Perez before the likes of Verstappen.
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Post by Wß on May 30, 2016 14:19:24 GMT
Clearly this kid has talent. Clearly there's also been a lot of hype about him. Hype is often just that, and potential *IS* a dirty word as so often it goes unfulfilled. What bothers me though is this vitriol going around for the kid, with the Maldonado comparisons with whatever else they can sling at him.
He's fucking 18, he's a kid, and he's got a lot to learn, just like everyone else when they were 18. Not sure why it's but it seems like such a British thing, maybe because I've been hanging around F1 forums too long but there seems to be a general sense of beating down anyone that's young or risen too fast, that's not followed the proper path or something.
I know we 'Mericans take a lot of heat, most of it deservingly so but sheet the Brits are fucking ruthless when it comes to tearing people down despite their achievements.
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Post by LRW on May 30, 2016 15:31:22 GMT
Yeah Wß - you better hope you don't get too good at your Auotcross - or we will attack.
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Post by LewEngBridewell on May 30, 2016 18:50:15 GMT
Verstappen is simply exciting to watch, no matter whether it's going tits-up or he's doing an amazing job.
Just the kinda attacking and slightly untamed talent that the sport needs to have.
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Post by Wß on Jul 10, 2016 15:19:36 GMT
I like Verstappen, he's been inconsistent, he's done stupid stuff, he's been a bit of a dick at time but he's 18 years old, what 18 year old isn't like that? He's supremely quick and has shown flashes of brilliance especially defending so how can anyone not get behind this kid?
Ricciardo was had some tough brakes so it hasn't quite been a like for like comparison but yesterday in qualifying he did come out on top of Ricciardo decisively and they're going to be a great and competitive pairing. I hope Red Bull doesn't do the same shit they did with Webber but frankly given them, I'd be surprised if they don't start the number 1 and number 2 driver crap before the end of the year.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 10, 2016 15:24:05 GMT
For a rich kid at 18y of age, I'd say he deserves some plaudits. What did I achieve at 18...let me think, oh yeah get into university which a few hundred million others have done. Great. And at the time I felt smug thinking I achieved something.
What's winning me over is his tenacity in defending. Out of all the drivers so far, he's the only one who's shown 'desperation' in keeping a place, instead of freely succumbing just because the guy behind has DRS. He's done all he can to keep his position and the fight he has, I'd say he's got bigger balls than 85% of the drivers out there already. If he keeps his feet on the ground (relatively speaking) Schumachers records might be in trouble.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 11, 2016 1:25:48 GMT
I don't understand why there is so much hype over this kid, sure he's a good driver but... he's not a god or anything, he makes rookie mistakes just look at Monaco.
He got a seat in the car at the exact time his team were were coming into the races they should be very very good at, plus the car got an engine upgrade. If we look before he got a seat, China Riccardio got P2 in quallifying and between them they managed P3 and P4 with Riccardio being the one in 4th. Australia, they had bad qualifying session but in the race Riccardio managed to get P4. Bahrain Kvyat had a bad quallifying session and Riccardio was behind the Ferraris, in the race they managed P4 and P7 it was clear that they were the 3rd best car at this point in time, not highly behind Ferrari.
Spanish Grand Prix: - High downforce track. - I expected I expected Red - I expected P3 and P4, but they were helped by Mercedes crashing so I then expected the win for them, Ric's got screwed by bad strategy.
Monaco Grand Prix: - Maximum downforce track. - With the upgrade Engine for Riccardio I expected him to challenge for the win and they did challenge.
Canadian Grand Prix: - Medium downforce track. - The upgraded engines in both cars & it being a medium downforce track, I expected them to be fighting with the Ferraris and they did.
European Grand Prix: - New but expected the Mercedes cars to all be very fast. - Riccardio was on it in quallifying but I didn't expect Red Bull to be able to stick it out when we got into the race and as expected they finished 7th & 8th
Austrian Grand Prix: - Medium to high downforce track - I expected Red Bull to be right up there but they had a bad quallifying session, however I still expected them to get upto P3/P4 fighting with Ferrari. As expected they did manage this.
British Grand Prix: - Medium high downforce track - I expected Red Bull to be right up there yet again because of the fast corners and they were right up there again.
All in all, I expected each of the red bull drivers to have 60+ points and they both do have 60+ points, Ric with 64, Ves with 77.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jul 11, 2016 2:55:37 GMT
One thing I've clearly noticed is Max has the edge in managing tyres which Daniel was meant to be good at. Anyways as WB said, hopefully Max and Dan are allowed race because with 2017 rules and regs coming, you never know but it could be the 2 RB guys fighting it out for glory.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 11, 2016 3:05:47 GMT
One thing I've clearly noticed is Max has the edge in managing tyres which Daniel was meant to be good at. Anyways as WB said, hopefully Max and Dan are allowed race because with 2017 rules and regs coming, you never know but it could be the 2 RB guys fighting it out for glory. Yep, agreed. Not only is he good in defense (I remember Alonso being glorified for keeping Schumacher's Ferrari behind him in Imola in 2005 I think for 30 od laps) but he's versatile. And seems to have the intelligence to manage his race. Ricciardo is no slouch, he put away Spinbastian Vettel over a season. What I'm concerned about is Ricciardo might not get a fair shot at a title if RB is in position for it....for a couple of reasons. First, Max winning the WDC will be a way bigger story for RBs target market, secondly, Ricciardo is already distancing himself from RB in certain ways which isn't too smart for his medium-long term future at the team. It's very easy for people to forget his 1 good season with Vettel when an 18y old is matching and occasionally even beating him.
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Post by Wß on Jul 11, 2016 3:40:07 GMT
Well RyRy that's why I say that it hasn't been the best comparison give the various goings on with Ricciardo, a lot of the results have been circumstantial and could have should have would have gone the other way were things slightly different, but that's life and that's racing. We'll know what's what in the long run, I really would love to see Red Bull simply let the driver race so we can see it.
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