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Post by RyRy on Jul 6, 2015 19:59:10 GMT
Very funny but grossly unfair, considering Mclaren Honda were not in business for 21 of the last 22 years since the last victory lol Yeah that is unfair, they should change out imo
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Post by LRW on Jul 7, 2015 10:01:42 GMT
Just seen this pic of a Mclaren with some orange flow-vis paint on. I think they shoudld keep it as their standard livery. Looks like an improvement to me
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Post by ang44 on Jul 8, 2015 19:46:20 GMT
sniffpetrol.com/2015/07/08/mclaren-announces-new-top-trumps/#.VZ1hdV9VikpMcLaren has announced a new version of popular card game Top Trumps, based around its never-popular MP4-30 racing car. In a twist on the normal game, all the cards are the MP4-30, but at various points in its turgid and unsuccessful life. As with normal Top Trumps, players must then pick from a category such as ‘number of replacement engines’, ‘lap on which it retired’ or ‘number of collisions with own team mate’. In another unusual twist on the Top Trumps format, the object of the exercise is to get out of the game as quickly as possible, and long before anyone else who is playing. The first person to do so must then give a depressing interview in which they attempt to put a brave face on their successful failure whilst secretly planning the day when they deliberately walk dog shit into Ron Dennis’s office. Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on emailShare on printMore Sharing Services 36
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 30, 2015 21:27:40 GMT
Someone on another forum provided these amazing stats, I am sure everyone has instinctively felt that, amongst all the disaster at McLaren and beyond Buttons previous swagger and his Monaco points - that Alonso was still handing him his arse - here are the numbers
Considering Alonso was new to the team, had a race off, almost got electrocuted and still owes the team 100 mill - then this is a real tonking, not as bad as Lewis dished out, but ofcourse all we here from the press is that Button is matching Alonso or standing his ground. Nope the gulf in results in such a hit and miss car is completely damning for Button. He is just not capable of extracting superior results to warrant a seat over the new generation of promising youngsters who need a seat.
I mean, just look at that position change on the first lap - almost 5 times more effective at driving beyond the limitations of the car - its fricken embarassing, on par with that other lame duck Kimi
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Post by RyRy on Jul 31, 2015 0:15:35 GMT
Button has also been effected more by reliability than his team mate in qualifying and over the actual race in general has been equal to his teammate. His haul of points at Hungary and position gain was a result of the safety car and an unscheduled pit that played into his hands.
Otherwise button would have been much further ahead in points, would be 3, 3 in the race battle, 9, 6 in race result and ultimately he would have been ahead.
On merit the two drivers are fairly equal, Alonso is better at his starts but Button is matching him elsewhere.
If we look at the same results before Hungary, Button looks equal if not better than Alonso.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 31, 2015 1:49:22 GMT
On paper they are not far apart, just like it was with Lewis, but as far as the magic that causes one sportsperson to be heads and shoulders above other competent sportsmen Alonso wins hands down
The reason for me is implied by these particular stats Alonso has completed around a fifth less laps - yet in that time, in the 2nd worse car has passed nearly 3x the number of other drivers Button has, and on the first lap when talent can offset car difference he has passed nearly 5x as many other drivers. Thats the measure of a racing driver the ability to go forward and the gulf there is not down to reliability or bad luck. Alonso is simply better than Jenson by more than Jenson is better than a GP3 driver
How about this - race battles when both finished Alonso was always ahead irrespective of his qualifying, so ven when Jenson qualified head, i.e. didnthave bad luck, he still failed to beat Alonso provided Alonsos car made it to the end
On the surface they have similar results in a crap car that breaks down over 50% of times, but look deeper and those stats are why, over time an Alonso will always beat a Jenson, just as he is doing now because of his finishing position in one race.
Just like with Lewis who beat Jenson like 80% of the time when they both finished over time he will get more wins simply because Jenson is a driver who can pass only a fifth as much as his teammate, so he is limited and that deficit cant be made up against the real stars. He is the only teammate on the grid to get lapped by his own teammate in normal conditions, to be beaten almost all the time they both finish and to regularly qualify outside the top 10 whilst his teammate is at the front of the grid - combine that with an aversion to risk and preference to cruise and collect and every team boss knows that Jenson aint gonna get the maximum out of a good car let alone a bad one
and he is a real snake - we dont need to go over old ground but I am very confident about being able to prove that over and over
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Post by racechick on Jul 31, 2015 5:57:19 GMT
It's the sneaky snakiness I can't get past. And done with such a happy chappy smile. That's what I really really don't like. He has a lot of fans, so maybe I'm wrong, or he's very very good at the game he plays. I think it's the latter. Cannot forgive his behaviour at McLaren with Whitmarsh. It cost Lewis and McLaren a championship. I find myself feeling very mean for not liking Jenson, but I just can't like him.
The weird thing is, I've sort of forgiven Alonso for 2007, which also resulted in a lost championship for McLaren and contributed to losing it for Lewis. ( I still suspect that glitch with the car in his last race was not accidental, but had Max's finger all over it). So why forgive Alonso but not Button? I think it's because of the deceit involved. The twofacedness. Alonso, could be evil, but he never hid it behind a sugar coating.
Jenson can produce a good drive...sometimes, when everything is right. And he can look on paper like a close match to a great driver . But when you scratch under the skin, it's not as clear cut. And Jenson is great and making excuses that sound feasible and talking himself up.
Those first last statistucs are glaring. To support them, the overtake statistics I posted in the Lewis thread showed him to be the most overtaken driver on the grid bar Maldonado.( in the Hungarian GP)
Sorry Jenson fans, it's just how he makes me feel.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 31, 2015 13:46:30 GMT
Can I be the first to call it: The McHonda project is going to fail.
McLaren wants Honda to poach talent from rivals
McLaren racing director Eric Boullier wants Honda to recruit employees from Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault to help cut the deficit to the front.
Honda has struggled in its first season in F1, joining the grid one year after the introduction of the V6 turbo power units. Much of Mercedes' current domination comes from the fact it focused on the turbo project well before 2014, while Ferrari has made a big step forward this season after struggling last year.
Renault continues to struggle in 2015, showing how difficult it can be to recover from getting a concept wrong with chunks of the engine frozen year-on-year, limiting development every winter. Honda has struggled for reliability and performance all season, though there were signs of improvement in Hungary.
In an interview with F1i Boullier was asked whether Honda had been hurt by joining F1 after the new power units were introduced, to which he replied: "Yeah, definitely. Honda could have bought some experience from other engine manufacturers and maybe should actually.
"We would recommend it just because to make sure you go faster and you accelerate your development program because they have solutions ready to fix things, or maybe some understanding."
However, when the question was put to Honda chief Yasuhisa Arai at Silverstone, he replied: "I don't think so. We have enough resources already."
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Alonso will announce his departure to Le Mans, Button confirms his new role co-hosting Top Gear. The End.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 31, 2015 14:15:32 GMT
Nothing new there! watch around 09.00 in
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Post by racechick on Aug 14, 2015 21:13:43 GMT
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Post by Wß on Aug 14, 2015 23:28:24 GMT
Love the realism, they did put the Honda Civic R ahead of the McLaren.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Aug 17, 2015 14:07:20 GMT
Arai san, No!!!!!!
Ron aint gonna like that one little bit after all the stuff Boiler has been saying about Sponsors
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Post by Hammer on Aug 17, 2015 14:08:49 GMT
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Post by Wß on Aug 17, 2015 14:12:21 GMT
Like curdled milk.
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Post by Wß on Aug 19, 2015 11:59:44 GMT
A good write up on McLaren's woes over at Sky F1They go on to identify and explain five distinct areas that have all contributed towards the growing pain that has been this year.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Aug 19, 2015 14:11:26 GMT
For me the roots of the teams current performance, lies with Button and Whiplash. It will take the rest of the year for the team to finish repairing the fundamental damage done by building around Button and next year at least for Honda to fix their own issues and turn up with a fixed design. But without sponsor income, without FOM finishing position income and with only the turning up income, things could get messy quickly Williams style.
At least this time round Ron is bound to get his way over ditching Button, leaving the enticing prospect of Alonso vs a shining rookie again
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Post by Wß on Aug 23, 2015 23:31:12 GMT
Little tongue in cheek action from Alonso here. tee-hee.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 4, 2015 23:45:13 GMT
At least Jenson is good with sponsors
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Post by Wß on Sept 5, 2015 11:45:25 GMT
I think it's not only Hamilton that "cannot believe". This has turned into a weekly telenovella for McLaren's saga. I think back to 2012 and cringe.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 5, 2015 14:56:46 GMT
Never has a team paid such a huge price for backing the wrong driver as happened in 2012 when all the engineers were tasked with making a slow driver faster.
Or put another way the price for getting Button his ONLY pole in his 5 years at McLaren is the ability to cheer him beating his teammate to 16th on the grid 3 years later
Not the behaviour of winners
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