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Post by Wß on Feb 23, 2017 12:44:59 GMT
So all your statistics being said, how do they measure on a graph? Because them being up in 2015 belies the fact that they were low in 2014 and are simply at the levels of 2013. You can say numbers are up but you have to look at them in a scale over time. So it doesn't sound as glamorously scary to say that despite crime being up in 2015 it's still lower than the average was in 2005.
You can say your numbers which are facts but you have to look at things in context, so when you hear government officials running for office or having radio talk shows (extreme right wing) go around saying "Rape Capital" it's not because of the numbers, it's because of an agenda. That agenda is to associate the rape to the immigrants, there's no denying that.
Keeping people ignorant, scared and hateful is a great business.
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Post by Wß on Feb 23, 2017 13:20:17 GMT
I'm taking a break from this discussion racechick time to focus on winter testing. I'm glad that we can keep things civil and I know we probably share similar goals, but I genuinely believe that there is a right and a wrong way to go about this and the US at this point should be a shining example of how to go about it the wrong way. FYI, out current president is looking to spend what's being estimated at 26 billion to build the wall, and last week I couldn't get from Pennsylvania to NJ on my usual route because the bridge connecting the NJ Turnpike to the PA Turnpike is closed due to them having found large cracks in the structure due to it's age and state of disrepair.
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Post by ichabod on Feb 23, 2017 15:05:42 GMT
There are some bad hombres in Pennsylvania that New Jersey want to keep out ?
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Post by racechick on Feb 24, 2017 1:16:48 GMT
Taking a break sounds like a good idea. I feel I'm getting into a position that isn't really my stance. Starting to feel like the bitch girl from hell. I realise the right have an agenda and will exaggerate situations and twist facts. . But also the left have an agenda , they put their head in the sand and deny reality. Well only time will tell. The world is at a strange point in its history I think. Hey, course we keep it civil! We're bezzies!
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Post by LRW on Feb 24, 2017 7:44:35 GMT
we are all going to die
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Post by Wß on Feb 24, 2017 13:12:29 GMT
What this election has taught me racechick is that in politics there is no left and there is no right there is only money and self preservation. The people have been abandoned long ago for the benefits of corporate interests that rule both wings.
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Post by racechick on Feb 28, 2017 9:55:14 GMT
Tim Pool, award winning journalist has gone to Sweden to try to find out what's actually happenning and what's just fake news. This is a video from him. He talks to a Swedish guy about policies and perceptions, reasons and history. It's an interesting listen.
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Post by racechick on Mar 3, 2017 22:11:35 GMT
This is Tim's latest video looking at how statistics can be skewed, by either side, to suit an agenda. Pretty much what we were saying earlier. I think this guy puts together a video each day. I've only seen these two so far,
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Post by Wß on Mar 4, 2017 13:08:36 GMT
This is good, and it's a statistical and science based POV to the details. The problem is that people manipulate, we know that. Manipulation tends to be for a purpose. But I feel you can't draw an equivalency simply because one side and the other both do it. The purpose of manipulating data by the right is to insight hatred, to create fear, uncertainty and doubt. A fearful populous is easy to manipulate. On the left, the data tends to be used rebut the lunacy... I know I'm coming at if from my perspective. And there statistics used by left wing loonies to justify crazy things like not vaccinating your kids because they'll get autism. So they're both manipulation of scared people and we can draw an equivalency from that.. However, what you won't see from a reputable news source is shit like this. Bill O'Reilly is a right win twat and when you *KNOWINGLY* do shit like this, it makes you stand apart, not just manipulation but inciting violence. It's not a coincidence that we've gotten a huge spike in the US of vandalism, attacks and bomb scares in mosques synagogues and Jewish cemeteries as well at LGBT attacks. So what the "rape capital of the world" does is to try and draw an equivalency saying hate crimes are up, but look they rape women in Sweden so there. Booking a guest on a show and selling him to your audience as something he's clearly not is not just data manipulation, it's something that IMO should be seen as criminal. So they took a hate monger with an agenda, gave him an even more Swedish sounding name than his real name, and despite this guy having not lived in Sweden for years and years, Spending time in London and Japan, and get this, having a police record in the states for a violent attack, is on Fox News being the authority on Swedish crime. www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/28/bill-oreilly-fox-news-erred-in-booking-guest-falsely-billed-as-swedish-security-adviser/?utm_term=.ea39e51aaea4
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Post by racechick on Mar 5, 2017 9:59:31 GMT
Difficult to trust mainstream media. They all have an agenda and will skew or omit facts to suit it. This is Tim's latest video, you might find it interesting because he addresses this very issue. He interviews a Swedish mainstream journalist.
I'll post a couple more of his vids later. There's some good ones and he tries to put both sides of the discussion, which I really like.
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Post by racechick on Mar 12, 2017 21:42:02 GMT
Not sure how widely the stuff going on between Turkey and Netherlands is being reported?
Erdogen is trying to push reforms through Turkish parliament to give himself dictator powers and a clear road to turn Turkey into an Islamic state. Concerned that he might not win the vote he has been drumming up support with Turkish Muslims in other countries in Europe. The Netherlands took exception tosuch rallies and had Erdigans guys expelled. Islamists then kicked off in protest and the result was riots in the Netherlands. The Netherlands have elections in a week or so and Geert Wilders is leading the polls. He has studied Islam and written books about it. He is strongly anti Islam and will only gain by these recent events.
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Post by racechick on Mar 22, 2017 19:47:54 GMT
Have you heard latest terrorist attack? Westminster London. 4 dead I think, one was a policeman. French children on a school trip caught up with it. Perpetrator was trying to get into parliament. MP tried to save life of policeman , gave mouth to mouth but he later died. One person went into the Thames but they got her/ him out.
No comment yet on who the perpetrator was.
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Post by stonemonkey on Mar 29, 2017 16:26:39 GMT
Is this how the news should be? (Nsfw)
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Post by racechick on Mar 29, 2017 16:33:54 GMT
I just got invalid video there?
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Post by stonemonkey on Mar 29, 2017 16:40:42 GMT
Oops, fixed.
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Post by racechick on Mar 29, 2017 16:47:13 GMT
HAHAHA! That's ace! Loved it!
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Post by racechick on Apr 4, 2017 21:06:42 GMT
Chemical attacks now. WTF is wrong with people?? Children having to be hosed down to get it off them, and frothing at the mouth unable to breathe.
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Post by racechick on Apr 7, 2017 13:52:00 GMT
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Post by Hammer on Apr 7, 2017 14:02:55 GMT
No one's talking about Wß 's President sending rockets to Syria?? You know what's funny...today's the monthly review of the nonfarm payroll numbers and it was real bad. And just earlier today they launched those missiles. So no one's talking about the Trump train being officially derailed now. Stockmarket fever is over!
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Post by racechick on Apr 7, 2017 15:50:57 GMT
Don't even know who's responsible for that gas attack, unless US have intelligence. Could be either side. Middle East is one massive horrible mess.
A girl from the Westminster Bridge attack died today. She was a Rumanian girl here for a few days and her boyfriend was going to propose to her that day. He had the ring in his pocket. She was the first hit and went into the Thames . She was rescued but suffered horrific injuries. I so wanted her to pull through. She died
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