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Post by dogued on Oct 2, 2017 6:20:21 GMT
Due credit to the joke of the past 3 seasons - Honda. No one noticed the kid in McLaren bring it home in 7th place and he wasn't very fortunate in anyway, the car deserved the position since even Stroll/Massa with a Mercedes had the whole race to displace him but couldn't. It would be hilarious if Honda starts kicking ass next season with the Toro Rosso. I've said it before in the McLaren thread, the lap times and sector times have been getting better and better. The main thing that has been letting them down has been the hybrid part, with speed traps showing the deficit. Once they get that sorted, they do have a decent engine in the back. People rave about the chassis, but the motor has been doing well these last couple of races. Would not be surprised in the slightest if STR are at least where they are now next year, if not further up the chain (drivers depending).
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2017 13:46:55 GMT
@ the 2:13 mark, Vettel complaining that Mercedes used Bottas to block him.
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Post by RyRy on Oct 2, 2017 13:57:33 GMT
It would be hilarious if Honda starts kicking ass next season with the Toro Rosso. I posted several times throughout Honda's first year showing that Honda really aren't as bad as people thought/think they are considering they were a year behind and that trend has continued to carry on in 2016 and also 2017; just in 2017 they are having much more complete failures of the engine which is due to Honda redesigning the engine fully. I have also said before that McLaren made a wrong move in ending it with Honda because they really aren't likely to beat a works Renault. Sure they might beat them in 2018 but I don't think they will in 2019, 2020. Renault's long term plan is to go all out in 2021 when the regulations will have a big overhaul and until then they are just trying to get more data and develop the team back up to how they used to be. Honda need a 2nd team as that's a shit ton more data to analyse and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Red Bull take up Honda in 2019. If Red Bull doesn't maybe Sauber will.
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2017 14:01:59 GMT
IMO McLaren swam half way across the lake, got too tired to swim the rest of the way... so it swam back.
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Post by Wß on Oct 2, 2017 17:59:37 GMT
Heads will roll, but I find it difficult to understand how he's equating the results in Singapore and the results in Malaysia in any way shape or form?
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Post by Wß on Oct 3, 2017 12:22:08 GMT
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Post by racechick on Oct 3, 2017 15:48:17 GMT
@ the 2:13 mark, Vettel complaining that Mercedes used Bottas to block him. It's not as if Vettel would ever benefit from Ferrari using Kimi in a tactical way now is it! LOL
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Post by RyRy on Oct 5, 2017 11:31:47 GMT
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Post by Wß on Oct 5, 2017 12:19:01 GMT
the video is blocked her in the US so I can't see it but I hear from other sites that it's an embarrassingly damaging piece of footage to Vettel's spacial awareness issues.
Been discussing elsewhere how it may be possible that this was intential on Vettel's part because he was so dangerously underfueled and was supposed to just be a "love tap" allowing him to park the car and not have to come in.
If that was the case then it was just very badly executed on. I just don't know if there's fuel sample testing post race as there is post Q. There would be no point whatsoever to purposely crashing if there wasn't.
Strangely enough the purposely crashing idea is the least damning to Vettel's driving of late given his peripheral vision challenges.
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Post by racechick on Oct 5, 2017 21:34:17 GMT
Oh that is an interesting thought!
Was he underfuelled? Unlikely.
Would Vettel use those tactics if he was underfuelled? Undoubtably.
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Post by London on Nov 7, 2017 23:47:43 GMT
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