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Post by Wß on Jun 10, 2018 15:42:06 GMT
Williams wins in Montreal!
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Post by Hammer on Jun 10, 2018 16:09:19 GMT
Lewis is a lousy Championship front runner..... he performs best whenever he has to catch up.
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Post by London on Jun 10, 2018 16:49:10 GMT
I kinda believe these informations because yesterday, one Alonso fan on Motorsport France mentionned the exact same thing. That Hamilton had to overdrive the car and braking very late to compensate the lack of power compared to Bottas but it was not enough to secure the front row. Toto and Lauda were surprised to see Vettel on pole because Bottas should have made* it probably. Mercedes took less risk on Hamilton's engine because they want him to finish the race and otherwise for Bottas as they want him to put pressure. Will be interesting to see if Hamilton has the pace today.
Less than 2 hour before the race, I cant wait
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Post by London on Jun 10, 2018 16:56:41 GMT
Gasly will start from the back of the grid or from the pitlane. New engine, TC, MGU-H and MGU-K.
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Post by London on Jun 10, 2018 20:17:29 GMT
So we supposed to watch race like this until the end of the season ? I definitely know what races I will watch from now and the one I will not. Canada was the last hope for a great race for me. And I am not the type of fan to buy fake/bullshit hype. On to the French Grand Prix in 2 weeks.
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Post by racechick on Jun 10, 2018 21:02:29 GMT
That was an awful race. I was expecting a good one and was sadly disappointed. Not because Lewis had a bad weekend, but because nothing happened. Monaco was better.
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Post by Liam Catterson on Jun 10, 2018 21:08:01 GMT
I agree. Vettel won, yippie, grazie ragazzi and all. But I was just bored. There wasn't any real competition until the very end.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 11, 2018 2:25:24 GMT
Most boring Canadian GP that I remember. I actually started doing some work around lap 20 smth to late 30s.
Then when Lewis started pushing hard and closing up to Ricciardo I thought Mercedes are definitely going to pit him around lap 45 and then go ultra softs till the end. Which made sense because Kimi was already 5 seconds behind and it was a 1 place loss, maybe few to gain towards the end.
But no, they didn't try that either. Guess they just wanted him to finish.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 11, 2018 4:14:21 GMT
That was an awful race. I was expecting a good one and was sadly disappointed. Not because Lewis had a bad weekend, but because nothing happened. Monaco was better.
+1 Surprisingly a poor race, A bit Barcelona like. Atleast Monaco had some drama and tension built into it. but hey ho, it happens sometimes. I think the tyres are big part to the cause, boring 1 stop races like 2010, once the pit stop phase is over then its race done and dusted it seems. The races atleast need 2 or 3 pit stops to spice strategy up a bit IMO. The Tyres need to be a little less durable but not over the top like the "falling of the cliff" Pirelli tyres of 2011 and 2012. Pirelli have again been a bit conservative with tyres this season.
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Post by dogued on Jun 12, 2018 5:24:46 GMT
Ugh... I've had 2 shocking races with tipping... so it's meant that I am NOT a happy F1 fan right now! I see the following as being the main causes of issues right now: 1. Tyres No, not in the way you think. I get what Pirelli were trying to achieve, the theory is sound, and the rubber wear is almost spot on for the whole idea of allowing multiple strategies. But they haven't taken into account that the current F1 chassis just doesn't allow for overtaking, even when on a much faster tyre. This results in teams looking at the data which shows a 2 or 3 stop should be 10s faster, but ignoring it because on track position means more. Take Grosjean in Canada as an example. He stayed out 20 laps more than the other Hypersoft runners, yet wasn't exactly getting swamped by the guys on fresher rubber who should have blazed past. Until rules are changed to modify aero, they need to perhaps look at a 6 compound spread (Hyper, Super, Medium) where the prime can be pushed harder than it is now. 2. Tyre Data Pireli change coumpounds and added a softer tyre, great. But Teams don't have the data on the current sets and are being overly cautious. Winter testing was a bust thanks to the cold. Nobody thought the Hyper could do the sort of stints RBR did at Monaco, or that Haas did in Canada. Now teams are begining to see the tyres aren't as fragile as thought, so we may see more aggressive use of tyres over summer. 3. Engine Penalties 3 for the season? Come on guys! The FIFA World Cup is coming up, you don't see FIFA saying "Right, 4 balls should last the event!" What we saw in Canada was largely down to Engine management. Mercedes teams couldn't push as hard because they had units that had done 6 races. Renault and Ferrari teams didn't push hard because they have to get 7 more out of this unit and there was no need to push given the way the pack spread out. 4. Chassis design We are almost at an engine parity point. There isn't anywhere near the difference between the Mercedes / Ferrari / Renault engines as there was. Even Honda have massively stepped up their game and aren't too far back. This means that Chassis design and aero effects are a HUGE part of the ability to overtake. More than ever, it's important that F1 take a long look at the cars ability to follow and pass. Until they do, we can change rubber, limit engines, and add DRS as much as we want, it will still end in a low number of overtakes. To back up my thoughts, let's take Lewis Hamilton. He had an old engine, so it was detuned for Qualifying. Mercedes brought 3 sets of HyperSoft tyres, because they made an assumption based on Abu Dhabi 2017 testing that the tyre was crap. This meant Lewis couldn't get a feel for the Hyper on the Friday as usual, which I believe led to his mistakes in Qualifying. For the race, the team stuffed up the car setup and overheating caused early power issues. This, combined with a detuned engine, meant he couldn't push and an early stop was taken. They somewhat fixed the cooling issue, which reduced the loss of power, then by around lap 45 realised that the engine wear wasn't as bad as they thought and could turn it up a bit. A 2nd stop would have been perfect here, but they only had used hypersofts (which Mercedes thought were crap and won't last) or used Ultra/Super sets which had done all the millage in FP1/2 so may not have been an improvement. Instead, they kept running and eventually told Lewis that the engine and tyres could take more, so he was allowed to turn it all up. He began to catch Ricciardo and harrass him. Unfortunately this is where the other problems come in. The track was now filthy from rubber marbles so offline movements would have been a ticket to the wall, Hamilton's tyres were past their best so unable to get the traction off the hairpin, and Ricciardo had a fresh engine so could hold Hamilton off. Lewis could get to within half a second, but lacked the drive off the corner at the start of each straight to get maximum benifit from DRS, without which he failed to match the Renault engine. If we ran the same weekend with a NEW Mercedes engine, results would have differed. If we modified the chassis to allow closer following through corners without washout, results may have differed. The same can be applied to Bottas behind Vettel, Verstappen behind Bottas Tyres won't make a difference. Cars still won't be able to blaze through the pack from 10th to 1st. No. This season will be decided by Engine penalties. Expect Mercedes to be top of the heap in France with a fresh version 2.0 engine. Expect Ricciardo and Verstappen to play havoc with the WDC late in the season (not winning the title, but taking points from the main contenders) as they will be the 2 with fresh engines (following penalties) in races where Leiws and Sebastian are nursing theirs. Just see the following info to back that up: Starting Grid Canadian F1 GP Driver | Team | ICE | TC | MGU-K | MGU-H | ES | CE | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Sebastian Vettel | Ferrari | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | Kimi Raikkonen | Ferrari | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | Daniel Ricciardo | RBR TAG Heuer | 3 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | Max Verstappen | RBR TAG Heuer | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2 |
I mean, this is ROUND 7 OF 21, and some drivers are already fitting their 3rd and final component!
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Post by RyRy on Jun 12, 2018 16:10:57 GMT
doguedI agree in regards to tyres, fresh tyres should be able to pass 20+ old lap tyres comfortably. A bigger spread in tyre compounds would be interesting, however we'd still see everyone pit about the same time and get the better tyres. I personally would like to see them have much much less data, less practice sessions to make the weekend more of an unknown, with the current system most of the teams have tons of data and can easily work out what they should be doing on Saturday/Sunday, if it was a bit of an unknown we might see some teams go more aggressive and some might go more conservative. If it was my way I would get rid of the 4 hours of practice and make it so they only have 60 mins worth that is ran on Friday, Saturday Morning they get a 30min Q1, 18min Q2, 12min Q3. I am fully in favour of 3 engine limitations, they just need to fix the penalties so it harms the team not the driver. If you have to take a 4th engine (you need a valid reason for it) the team have to pay £x million to the FIA. Ferrari arguably have the best engine at the moment, Mercedes might take that spot back once they bring their new engine however Renault isn't too far behind and Honda is probably much closer to Renault than Renault is to Ferrari/Mercedes. I was against all the extra aero being added from the start and was baffled by it, we saw in Australia that it was a huge problem then when we got to Bahrain/China it didn't look quite as bad but that's because of the nature of the tracks, they have decent overtaking opportunities, tracks that struggle for overtakes are basically getting no overtakes. The whole reason cars were struggling in China was because of the aero into the hairpin, cars were losing way too much coming out of the hairpin. One solution that should theoretically work but would get lots of hate... would be to allow cars within 1~ (maybe a bit longer) seconds to use DRS anywhere around the track but when they get to a straight that has DRS normally they aren't allowed to use it until the DRS line, this essentially negates any loss in time through the corners due to the dirty air issue and allows cars to stay close. If simulations were ran I think this would likely come out quite good however you might need to add some sort of rule that prevents the car that was overtaken from being able to use DRS for x seconds (unless your DRS is being "earned" from being within 1~ second of a different car.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 15, 2018 15:49:20 GMT
So Hamilton's Canadian GP was a disaster, in qualifying he actually hit a bird on his first run and had a blocked brake duct hence why he locked up on both laps in Q3, on his first run he was fastest in S1 and S2 and according to Mercedes he lost 7 tenths in the hairpin which would have been pole position.
On his second run he lost a similar amount of time and Mercedes were confident that if he hadn't had the brake duct issue he would have got pole position even with the old engine.
As for the race, something on the car failed and it sent the engine temperatures up really high even on the first lap, that's why Hamilton dropped back to get fresh air into his engine and he also kept getting drops in engine power because of the overheating power unit. Hamilton was managing the issue from lap 1 up until he had to pit early for a pit stop because the temperatures were unmanageable and he was losing too much time. Mercedes removed a bunch of bodywork to open up the cooling to try and help resolve the issue however it didn't fully resolve it, it just made the car more draggy and meant Hamilton didn't need to manage it as much.
Hamilton was confident that his engine was going to blow up during the race and after the race was grateful that he made it to the end of the race.
Mercedes don't think that engine would have lasted more than 10~ more laps before blowing.
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Post by racechick on Jun 15, 2018 18:28:44 GMT
Quite a relief to read that actually. When there’s a valid reason for poor performance ist not as bad as just poor performance...if you see what I mean.
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