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Post by Frontrunner on Sept 2, 2018 14:58:29 GMT
Yep, Verstappen gets my 'dill pickle of the race award' (Vettel close 2nd) VER cost himself a P4 by fighting with Bottas despite him knowing about the time penalty while Vettel catches up, how stupid can you be.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 2, 2018 15:08:53 GMT
Verslappen is a little moron, that one I'm convinced of. If Motorsport didn't exist, he'd probably be a full time Grab driver or smth he showed his IQ today "I don't care about losing points for myself or the team, my tit sized ego got hurt! Boofrigginghooooo"
Moron.
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Post by dogued on Sept 2, 2018 15:39:48 GMT
Max is young, ambitious, talented, and he knows it. The problem is that he is a victim of the Red Bull Rush. Drivers are pushed through to fill gaps because the team owner has no patience. Max never had the chance, or the team around him, to temper those brainless moments and channel frustrations into gains. He is surrounded by "yes" men, championed by his Father who's only claim to fame is he ran a great Pit lane BBQ once! I have no doubt that if Max was to move to a team like Renault or Williams for a season or two, he would come out a much better driver.
Compare this with Lewis, who had a team of support around him that drove him to improve and chastised him when those moments came up, moments that probably cost him a 1st year WDC title. Yes, he still has moments just like every driver out there, but they are an exception.
Now compare with Sebastian, another product of the RBR system. He was coddled so much that when he didn't get his way and the team couldn't placate him the way they had with Webber, he threw a fit and left the team. Ferrari have since tempered him and he has done a lot of work to improve his image since then. But still, when those high pressure periods occur (like, say, realistically having a shot at a 5th title), cracks appear and errors come out.
I think that the Red Bull system has a huge flaw in it when applied to a raw talent such as Max or Seb. Ricciardo is talented, but he had done the hard graft to make it there from Australia (and we're all chilled AF here). Gasly is talented, but has a different personality. Kvyat had talent, but wasn't a favorite Son so any errors were considered flaws and reason to dump. I think he would be much improved if he returned for TR next season.
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Post by Frontrunner on Sept 2, 2018 15:56:01 GMT
So Vettel says Lewis didn't leave any room. There was plenty of room to his left.
For me, Lewis picked his pocket around the outside and then Seb understeered into Lewis.
End result is a racing incident but Vettel's own fault but nothing more, no time penalty as some Merc fans suggest in the comment sections.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 2, 2018 16:08:46 GMT
Everyone forgot that ferrari had an unsafe release with Vettel after that lap 1 incident, and I was waiting for a call to come on that one but of course this is red fever land so what's new.
I wish Mercedes would be bit more bitchy with these things and pressure the stewards to get these things done but I guess bigger things are at play politically and Mercedes needs Ferrari to work for the direction of the sport and all that.
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Post by Wß on Sept 2, 2018 16:08:50 GMT
Renault is protesting Grosjean's results, probably best to wait until that's resolved until we do the pool.
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Post by Frontrunner on Sept 2, 2018 16:36:05 GMT
Everyone forgot that ferrari had an unsafe release with Vettel after that lap 1 incident, and I was waiting for a call to come on that one but of course this is red fever land so what's new. I wish Mercedes would be bit more bitchy with these things and pressure the stewards to get these things done but I guess bigger things are at play politically and Mercedes needs Ferrari to work for the direction of the sport and all that. Good point, totally forgot, Kravitz was saying that the Sauber had to slam the brakes or something. Wasn't even a investigation i think, Would have been nice to see some footage during the coverage to see if it was worthy of a investigation.
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Post by Wß on Sept 2, 2018 16:40:25 GMT
Everyone forgot that ferrari had an unsafe release with Vettel after that lap 1 incident, and I was waiting for a call to come on that one but of course this is red fever land so what's new. I wish Mercedes would be bit more bitchy with these things and pressure the stewards to get these things done but I guess bigger things are at play politically and Mercedes needs Ferrari to work for the direction of the sport and all that. Good point, totally forgot, Kravitz was saying that the Sauber had to slam the brakes or something. Wasn't even a investigation i think, Would have been nice to see some footage during the coverage to see if it was worthy of a investigation. It was reported that the Sauber had to slam on his brakes so close enough to be a clear infraction.
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Post by Wß on Sept 2, 2018 17:33:05 GMT
It's never his fault, the red mist won't be far behind. I fear if he doesn't center himself and begin the task of rebuilding the season from Singapore on we'll wind up with another 2017 ending. Singapore has bad memories for Ferrari as is.
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Post by Frontrunner on Sept 2, 2018 18:02:11 GMT
When the pressure is on he bottles it. The biggest mistake was probably giving Lewis the invitation to get alongside in the first place.
starting to think Vettel can only when championships when he has a 1 or 2 second car. A couple or a few tenths advantage ain't enough it seems.
If Fonzo actually had some patience and stayed at Ferrari, you feel that Ferrari would be in a better position.
So summing up, Vettel needs to get his shit together otherwise the 2nd best car could win this championship.
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Post by Wß on Sept 2, 2018 19:14:17 GMT
Everyone forgot that ferrari had an unsafe release with Vettel after that lap 1 incident, and I was waiting for a call to come on that one but of course this is red fever land so what's new. I wish Mercedes would be bit more bitchy with these things and pressure the stewards to get these things done but I guess bigger things are at play politically and Mercedes needs Ferrari to work for the direction of the sport and all that.
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Post by racechick on Sept 2, 2018 20:11:56 GMT
Sweet. Sweet. Sweet
Just back ( at French chalet) and watching highlights with a glass of wine. That HAS to be one of THE best live races I’ve been to! More in a mo before I read other comments.
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Post by LewEngBridewell on Sept 2, 2018 21:54:56 GMT
Well, the ghosts of Singapore '17 are still wafting around Seb's racing. Another hugely costly mistake, and a skip-load more points sent in Lewis Hamilton's direction. I really do think he loses his head a little more than Hamilton in potential championship deciding moments.
Ferrari also have serious questions to answer after throwing away another victory when they had a faster car. Poor decisions, which left Raikkonen absolutely no-where by the race's end. And WHY they allowed Raikkonen to have the tow in quali just beggars belief. If they focused on the CHAMPIONSHIP ONLY, they'd have Seb on pole, and the incident with Lewis would not have occurred.
Ferrari really need to start maximising the pace of their car. Because we're on course to see a repeat of 2017. Lacklustre mistakes and crucial lapses in good judgdement just when it matters most.
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Post by racechick on Sept 2, 2018 22:22:40 GMT
Just watched highlights. Two mega points from it before I give my views from the actual race, One issue of mine was that Max moved in the braking zone. It happened right by my grandstand, but I didn’t know till I got back and watched highlights that max got a penalty for that. I thought Max finished 3rd. Other thing. Lewis just said after the race that he was pleased for his fans. He said in a sea of red there’s one man or woman waving a flag for him....and he sees everyone of them. I WAS ONE ! He waved at me on the drivers lap and again on his victory lap! Okay. My race at Monza. Lewis was sensational. Fast when he needed to be, circumspect when he needed to be. Very much in control. One of his best races I’ve watched. I screamed and screamed until I was hoarse, and my red Grandstand weren’t happy Well tuff titty! Don’t boo Lewis just cos he schools Ferrari drivers! You boo, I’ll scream. Kimi drove well I have to say. Lewis took him in a great move and Kimi took Lewis back in an equally great move. Kimi was fast . I think he was a victim to Ferrari bringing him in early ( to prevent a Lewis undercut? ) Kimi seems to me more of a natural Ferrari driver. There was so much support for him round the track. Sure they supported Vettel, cheered every overtake as he made his way back through the field; but it seemed it was more because he’s the one on the position to deliver the world drivers championship for Ferrari. The emotional and passionate support was for Kimi. I felt for Kimi. Max- Good drive, but.... Moved in the braking zone. You may not like the rule Max, but it’s a rule. Valteri - good team play but you should have overtaken Max! ( didn’t know the penalty situation when I thought that ) Vettel - bone headed move again! Whenever he gets in close combat he panics. He can’t race. Runs well when in front ( providing it doesn’t rain) but can’t do battle. Poor spatial awareness. Ricciardo - what DOES that boy have to do ? Seems to start at the back every race and his car blows up ! Did I say I was a lone voice in a red grandstand? I think I may have done. Few pics I took before my phone died following shortly.
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Post by racechick on Sept 2, 2018 23:02:17 GMT
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Post by Hammer on Sept 3, 2018 2:35:34 GMT
Driver of the day - Kimi Raikkonen Nevermind the guy in the slower car getting by 2 faster cars thrice, and winning a race which hasn't been won from below the front row in 9 years.
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Post by racechick on Sept 3, 2018 8:18:16 GMT
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Post by dogued on Sept 3, 2018 9:11:43 GMT
Singapore will be interesting. Ferrari's advantage is the battery usage. They are able to run it longer at V-max than other teams. In Monza, this isn't an issue due to the short nature of the track unlike Spa where it was an obvious advantage. Singapore on the other hand, is a long track but is devoid of long straights that use up the battery and has plenty of heavy braking zones to recharge. So it comes down to chassis, and Ferrari have lengthened theirs since last year. I think the team to watch in Singapore is Red Bull, while Mercedes and Ferrari (or rather Hamilton and Vettel) should both be close to parity.
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Post by Wß on Sept 3, 2018 17:46:37 GMT
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Post by Hammer on Sept 4, 2018 3:40:35 GMT
Anyone have any links which can lead to a full replay of the race?
Yes I want to watch the whole race again....and can't find any so far.
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