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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 6, 2015 19:05:55 GMT
Like the banning of Frics or the reintroduction of previous tyres halfway thru the season. This is a game changer that might affect som teams more than others.
What do you think?
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Post by pistnbroke on Apr 6, 2015 19:22:53 GMT
Is this to stop the post measurement reservoir of fuel.
Which teams are reportedly using it?
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Post by Wß on Apr 6, 2015 19:34:09 GMT
The rumor is the Merc and Ferrari have been the ones using it. Maybe Red Bull hope more than an actual thing. We'll soon find out. I think this may turn out to be as much of an impact as the loss of FRIC. Meaning not much.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 6, 2015 20:22:09 GMT
Using the same logic I have outlined elsewhere that takes into account the following facts and assumptions; Ferrari had the ability to inject petrol at the max permitted 500 bar last year Merc did not but have it this year Ferrari main gain recently has been in the deployment of its full power complement with an accompanying increased driveability Renault didnt have the max boost system either but have not spent tokens on obvious redesign of a specific part of the engine leading to better deployment of power Having the 500 bar system is the key to inject petrol into the cycle at additional stages at the higher end of the engine revs
Therefore IMHO Renault can be ruled out, Merc are unlikely to have done this last year but definitely have had the opportunity to do so this year Ferrari are highly likely to have introduced it at the start of Winter testing Merc had a clear power 'loss' in Malaysia relative to Ferrari and relative to the first race
Hence IMHO, Ferrari are almost certain to lose power performance relative to Renault - IF Ferrari have exploited this since Winter tsting
And If Merc were also exploiting this method to fill in gaps along the power delivery curve by breaching the fuel flow rate, then either they already conformed a race early - in which case we should see the gap to Renault remain at Malaysia level (meaning Ferrari will be the only drop)
Or Merc will also drop performance along with Ferrari relative to Renault
There is one other ominous possibility, that Merc did not exploit this as they had no power delivery issues in 2014
In which case we would see Ferrari drop back relative to Renault to the same differential (adjusted for some normal gains)as there has been through 2014 which would mean all the Merc teams regain a similar advanatge over Ferrari as thy had last year
Meaning Williams would be number 2, followed by Lotus and maybe even Findia get boosted back to the top pf midfield
Ofcourse it could be that absolutely nothing changes from the AUS situation, or even that Ferrari keep the power parity from Malaysia
However for anyone at all suspicious of Ferraris massive power delivery and useability leap forward betwen last season and winter testing, then watch this space carefully
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Post by Wß on Apr 6, 2015 20:26:15 GMT
It would be most visible in qualifying pace.
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Post by RyRy on Apr 6, 2015 22:41:46 GMT
Aren't only Ferrari & Mercedes the two teams that were using this "exploit"?
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Post by Wß on Apr 7, 2015 12:34:10 GMT
I voted Ferrari but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we see little to no change. It won't be enough to use one race as a definitive marker especially if weather plays a factor but. Given the power unit demand here, it should bring out the biggest deficit if the loophole was indeed was being exploited.
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Post by RyRy on Apr 10, 2015 3:38:17 GMT
According to the FIA there was only 1 team who didn't comply with the new regulations last race, for Ferrari's sake I hope it wasn't them.
If you think about it I'd except it to be one of four teams: - McLaren (Because they're focusing on their Engine at the moment, don't have time for that change) - Manor (Don't have the time because they're focusing on other more important things) - Red Bull (Because they have had a awful performance so far) - Ferrari (The most likely one in my opinion, they already tried something during winter testing with their fuel system that they were forced to remove/change and they were the only team last race that looked significantly out of place in comparison to Australia)
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 10, 2015 11:06:40 GMT
Hence IMHO, Ferrari are almost certain to lose power performance relative to Renault - IF Ferrari have exploited this since Winter tsting And If Merc were also exploiting this method to fill in gaps along the power delivery curve by breaching the fuel flow rate, then either they already conformed a race early - in which case we should see the gap to Renault remain at Malaysia level (meaning Ferrari will be the only drop) Or Merc will also drop performance along with Ferrari relative to Renault So far I think this is the most likely outcome based on free practice - (allthough I am not sure cars need to be compliant in practice) Merc are still the same ahead of Ferrari as AUS, Renault and Honda have closed to Ferrari Must be Ferrari IMHO
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 10, 2015 21:39:00 GMT
Ted Crevice also declaring Ferrari were the catalyst for the FIAs new fuel flow directive
If he is right quali could be very interesting
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Post by racechick on Apr 10, 2015 22:10:57 GMT
Well from reading what you guys have written, it seems it has to be Ferrari. Is this anything like when Red Bull wouldn't use the FIA fuel flow measurement and Danny lost his race win, or is this something completely different? Well I know it's different. But any similarity?
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Post by RyRy on Apr 10, 2015 23:50:00 GMT
Ted Crevice also declaring Ferrari were the catalyst for the FIAs new fuel flow directive If he is right quali could be very interesting Are you on about the pre-season testing where Ferrari were forced to change something regarding their fuel system?
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Post by Wß on Apr 11, 2015 12:34:51 GMT
Looks like we were 100% right.
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Post by RyRy on Apr 11, 2015 14:29:36 GMT
Looks like we were 100% right. Yeah they were clearly missing some performance today, they were the only team to stick out like a sore thumb in Malaysia.
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Post by RyRy on May 10, 2015 11:56:22 GMT
So this has popped back up again, apparently some teams are being clever with the fuel flow AGAIN and the FIA has demanded a constant fuel flow and after the race ANY car can be opened up by the FIA to have a look at the fuel systems.
According to some rumours it was Red Bull who have made a protest to the FIA about Ferrari and Honda doing it (Alonso Knowledge?)
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Post by CookinFlat6 on May 11, 2015 10:44:16 GMT
Seems to be that the more the FIA clamp down and police the fuel flow rate, the more Ferrari revert towards their 2014 deficit to Merc Maybe they spent the extra 100mill on a hidden fuel tank
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Post by RyRy on May 11, 2015 13:42:48 GMT
Seems to be that the more the FIA clamp down and police the fuel flow rate, the more Ferrari revert towards their 2014 deficit to Merc Maybe they spent the extra 100mill on a hidden fuel tank If it's able to be toggled... I wouldn't be surprised if both the two rumoured teams disabled it because the two teams who are mentioned are Honda and Ferrari and both teams did worse than everyone expected... The gap opened up again between Ferrari and Mercedes and the gap shortened between Ferrari and Williams..
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Post by Hammer on May 11, 2015 14:07:41 GMT
Not to mention Sauber suck again and not making any impression in the last two rounds.
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Post by Wß on May 12, 2015 1:43:57 GMT
And not a peep from Mercedes.
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Post by RyRy on May 12, 2015 2:05:17 GMT
And not a peep from Mercedes. The only way Ferrari seem to be able to challenge for a win is Mercedes have mistakes/hiccups which allows them to get in front. We saw how even Hamilton was struggling to get past Vettel during the actual race, you have to remember that Catalunya is way harder to follow at than it is at Bahrain so Hamilton did well to keep so close, If I was Mercedes I would have dropped a little bit of downforce to get more straight line speed because Spain is pretty easy to be overtaken on the start.
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