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Post by CookinFlat6 on Aug 25, 2015 21:33:22 GMT
Yeah, and in the meantime we need to be spared from Seb testing the resolve of the rule makers by swearing, accusing ceaselessly b!tching and bullying Pirelli when proper fans remember other drivers suffering blow outs and random tyre 'events' causing real damage to real drivers with real achievements at stake and these drivers responding with stoicism that highlights the recent handbags at Ferrari. Especially when drivers get threatened with multiple race bans for challenging the obvious corruption in the system yet Seb is allowed to mouth off and literaily accuse people of attempted manslaughter with impunity
So its the end of the world and unforgivable if you accuse the sport of steward bias, but its ok if you accuse the sport of negligently putting profit before human life and break rules by swearing and declare the sport were almost chargeable for manslaughter.
So why didnt Seb speak up after Lewis had a blowout tyre at Silverstone and handed a win to the gormless Nico? Nah its only dangerous when the special needs team and its plastic hero drivers need to placate the TiFacistifosi on an anniversary that was ORDAINED to be Ferraris by the God in heaven who listened to Enzos prayer to get rich by creating a myth around the most useless team ever
rant over, promise/
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Aug 25, 2015 22:05:09 GMT
And we can now see the story from Sebs view, after calming down and working out who exactly it was that risked his life for a 700th win celebration
Yes Seb, a 50 mill signing on fee buys a lot of integrity dont it
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Post by Hammer on Aug 26, 2015 5:53:51 GMT
That bit looks further like he's pretty clear on who ACTUALLY is to blame, and just saying everything else.
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Post by Wß on Aug 26, 2015 13:15:45 GMT
How could it ever possibly be Ferrari's fault? I agree with Vettel. It was probably Kimi's fault.
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Post by ichabod on Aug 26, 2015 15:42:12 GMT
It was Mark Webber Masquerading as a Pirelli engineer
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Post by Hammer on Aug 26, 2015 16:33:05 GMT
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Post by Wß on Aug 31, 2015 17:52:07 GMT
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Aug 31, 2015 18:28:24 GMT
Excellent and fair analysis. I think thats game set match for where the blame goes this time round. I havent seen any argument so far anywhere at all that deals with the facts and evidence Will has illustrated and still argues Pirelli guilt and Ferrari innocence. Will could have added the race aniversary for Ferrari as another aggravating factor and the fact that no other teams interpreted Pirellis 'around 40 laps' as meaning 'up to 40 laps we can abuse these tyres in any way we see fit and not worry at all about Nicos tyre the day before' It reminds me of Seb crossing the road when th lights turn green despite hearing a car screaming down the road. And when he got run over he turns round and says 'but the lights were green, lets blame the traffic lights provider'
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Post by Wß on Aug 31, 2015 18:33:14 GMT
I didn't go out off the track and out of the blue the tire explodes. I can excuse saying that after the event knowing he'd just seen any joy in mudville fly out the window. But then again we know how the Tiffuzy are when faced with tangible facts.
My ignorant opinion is just as good as your researched and factual evidence.
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Post by racechick on Aug 31, 2015 20:26:33 GMT
Yeah ,yeah, yeah, Seb was off the track , everyone was off the track. So the arguement falls down.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Aug 31, 2015 22:51:55 GMT
Yeah ,yeah, yeah, Seb was off the track , everyone was off the track. So the arguement falls down. But everyone else was not trying a 1 stop
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Post by racechick on Aug 31, 2015 23:31:58 GMT
Yeah ,yeah, yeah, Seb was off the track , everyone was off the track. So the arguement falls down. But everyone else was not trying a 1 stop But the tyres do not come with a warning.... ' if you go off the track whilst attempting a one stop strategy your tyre will explode'
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Post by Hammer on Sept 1, 2015 9:57:14 GMT
As far as the teams/Pirelli were concerned, the drivers going 'off track' were not being detrimental to the tyres, so as far as the tyres are concerned, track limits were not breached. So this doesn't fly in the argument, whether teams aimed for a 1 or a 2 stop.
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Post by Frontrunner on Sept 1, 2015 10:36:25 GMT
It was Mark Webber Masquerading as a Pirelli engineer Funnily enough Mark Webber agrees 100% with seb on the pirelli blowout according to Paddock talk
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Post by Wß on Sept 1, 2015 11:58:34 GMT
Have you looked at the various images out there? So we should blame Pirelli for not taking the curbs seriously enough in their estimates maybe? The weird thing is that people condemn races where drivers have to conserve tires, but Vettel didn't look to me like he was conserving tires, did he?
We'll know soon enough, I get the feeling that Pirelli's fan fare surrounding the announcement means "something". Eveyone screaming to change the tires when it's clearly not the tires that need changing.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 1, 2015 13:10:01 GMT
This 17 yr old guys maturity and confidence never ceases to amaze me
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Post by Wß on Sept 1, 2015 14:33:43 GMT
Not the "same" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 3, 2015 15:23:12 GMT
So after all that angst from Seb, what does he now say in light of the 'evidence'?
So from what Seb and Pirelli now AGREE, the correct poll options = Sebs petulant behaviour + Shit happens
The irony is that Seb does not even appear to understand that he is the loser in all this, as he lost points, lied about track limits, got emotional AND THERE IS NO ONE TO BLAME!!!
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Post by racechick on Sept 3, 2015 15:49:31 GMT
Well, well well, I didn't see that coming. Couldn't be a bit of this could it........ "The Grand Prix Drivers’ Association have publicly demanded an end to the terrifying blowouts, but are now in private dialogue with Pirelli and will therefore avoid condemning the tyre manufacturer after this U-turn. But emotions will be running high for the drivers and Vettel is unlikely to end his criticism." That's taken from the article I posted yesterday in the other thread about Pirelli making a U turn. A little bit of natter , natter behind closed doors. And we must stick together for the sake of the sport sort of talk. No, F1 is surely above all that.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 4, 2015 13:59:48 GMT
Apparently Seb is to be reprimanded by Bernie for his outbursts Bringing this poll to a nice conclusion, i.e according to Bernie the poll option Seb + shit happens are the official choices
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