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Post by Wß on Jan 15, 2016 18:18:19 GMT
It's today! IT'S TODAY! The day where the F1 team provide their proposal to make everything better in the sport. :lovesmiley: "They are going to make some proposals by tonight. I have proposals on most of the items which I feel are going in the right direction and on Monday afternoon at 3 o'clock we have a Strategy Meeting in Geneva and the day after we have the F1 Commission in Geneva, so that's where we are." - Jean Todt
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Post by Wß on Jan 20, 2016 0:49:01 GMT
How does something go from 20~25 million € to 12 million €? The new engine regulations pushed to 2018...
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Post by stonemonkey on Jan 20, 2016 1:13:10 GMT
Part of the reduction could be that the development costs are being charged for just now and will be reduced by then, possibly the same for implementing new manufacturing processes that have to be covered initially.
When do they run out of tokens? With no tokens, there's no new development costs either.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Jan 20, 2016 14:22:09 GMT
Em...brands like Mercedes and Ferrari are not about to scale back on development/performance—performance being directly tied to cost, of course—because they each want to rule the roost. Then you have Honda who have made bold promises about where they intend to be in the pecking order and Renault in serious catch up mode. No one will be backing off on development. Then if you listen to the what has come out of Mercedes and Ferrari in recent past, they can't afford to sell an engine to a customer team for less than it cost them to produce. This begs an interesting question. If this new agreement is dropping the fee from $20M to 12, where are the manufacturers covering those losses? Are they? I wonder if Bernie has agreed to pip the manufacturers a little something extra under the table to cover their burden? This way, it tells a wonderful story of there being peace and prosperity within F1...manufacturers and customer teams all with a fair playing field. Ohhh, that cheeky Bernie!
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Post by Wß on Jan 20, 2016 14:24:37 GMT
Oh you *KNOW* it wouldn't come from Bernie's share. They've just agreed to raise ticket prices a little. Problem solved! ...as far as I know the "token" system was to go originally through till 2017 where by which point there would be a freezing because everyon should have achieved some type of parity, but what are rules and agreements for if not to be skirted and changed.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Jan 20, 2016 14:41:38 GMT
Oh you *KNOW* it wouldn't come from Bernie's share. They've just agreed to raise ticket prices a little. Problem solved! ...as far as I know the "token" system was to go originally through till 2017 where by which point there would be a freezing because everyon should have achieved some type of parity, but what are rules and agreements for if not to be skirted and changed. I feel ya, bruh! This all has a sinister, slightly foul smell to it...whatever it is that caused the manufacturers to all of a sudden agree to take a lesser fee for their lumps & tech.
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Post by Wß on Jan 20, 2016 18:52:42 GMT
So poking into the agreement a little deeper, what we've got is these engines being assured of staying the defacto lump at least until 2020! That's part of the cost reduction as the economy of being frozen development wise and having wrought out of them as much as is nearly possible.
We'll also have a lot closer parity from a power standpoint if not from a drive ability standpoint. The actual cost reduction doesn't kin in until 2018.
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Post by Wß on Jan 29, 2016 15:43:48 GMT
Will we see white smoke come out the chimney? I expect a busy day later on in the F1 news sites, stay tuned.
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Post by LRW on Feb 3, 2016 17:46:26 GMT
Tokens are to go.....
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Post by Wß on Feb 3, 2016 17:48:27 GMT
Yay! Now we're sure to see all the engine manufacturers top Mercedes once and for all!
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Post by stonemonkey on Feb 3, 2016 18:06:54 GMT
Go where? Something'll have to be in place to limit PU development in some way.
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Post by LRW on Feb 3, 2016 18:21:27 GMT
Go where? Something'll have to be in place to limit PU development in some way. The article says no restriction in development - BUT - they still have limits on engines per driver per season - so can only introduce changes at a natural engine change.
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Post by Wß on Feb 3, 2016 21:31:28 GMT
The most impacting aspect of this agreement is that it effectively opens up the door for new manufacturers to enter knowing they'll be able to develop the engine in season without limitations. Honda is like... now they tell us.
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Post by LRW on Feb 3, 2016 22:56:29 GMT
So what excuse will saggy passionate Ferrari fans find now ??
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Post by Wß on Feb 3, 2016 23:16:00 GMT
So what excuse will saggy passionate Ferrari fans find now ?? Clearly Schumacher helped to test the 2017 engine for Mercedes.
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Post by Frontrunner on Feb 3, 2016 23:22:20 GMT
Its great to hear that the token system has been given boot, best news coming out of F1 for quite sometime. Just too bad we have to wait for 2017 for this to kick in.
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Post by LRW on Feb 4, 2016 7:44:13 GMT
So apparently its all been agreed between the FiA and the GPDA, and we are going to be seeing these from 2017.... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35488050Personally, Im not sure about this. Its damn ugly. Will it be strong enough to withstand a car going over it - or will it snap off and stab the driver through the chest? Idk. I cant decide.
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Post by Frontrunner on Feb 4, 2016 10:11:04 GMT
I personally don't like it but its for safety reasons so its hard to argue a case against it. Perhaps have the Halo but put gravel traps back in at all the corners instead of these monster run off areas, can't stand these run off areas these days and drivers getting away with numerous mistakes and go unpunished. Still think Carlos Sainz would have been better off with a gravel trap to slow him down a bit in his shunt at Sochi, anyway I'm rambling so I just shut up now.
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Post by Wß on Feb 5, 2016 14:14:36 GMT
The tires for 2017 is a good move, hopefully Pirelli will get the handful of tests they'll need, records will fall should this really come to fruition. More mechanical grip is what's needed, V8 and V10 are not.
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Post by Wß on Feb 5, 2016 14:17:18 GMT
Perhaps have the Halo but put gravel traps back in at all the corners instead of these monster run off areas, can't stand these run off areas these days and drivers getting away with numerous mistakes and go unpunished. This is the primary reason we have the plethora of pay drivers on the grid, and a partial reason as to the lack of real wheel to wheel racing.
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