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Post by dogued on May 28, 2016 22:17:18 GMT
Tyres look great.. shame the FIA have gone ahead and picked the "Halo" for 2017, ruined all the good looks!
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Post by RyRy on May 29, 2016 9:39:34 GMT
Tyres look great.. shame the FIA have gone ahead and picked the "Halo" for 2017, ruined all the good looks! I think the halo looks great, at least Mercedes' concept does, which is the route FIA are looking at taking it.
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Post by Wß on Nov 18, 2016 1:52:01 GMT
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Post by Wß on Nov 20, 2016 10:37:46 GMT
Just a thought here on how WEC gets it, the racing couldn't be closer and we have battles like these from a team that just came into the sport two years ago, against a team that's dominated the sport for nearly a decade. It also doesn't cost $300 a ticket.
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Post by stonemonkey on Nov 30, 2016 0:18:54 GMT
I dont know if this has been mentioned but for 2017 engine suppliers there is to be an'obligation to supply' that will be activated in the event of a team facing an absence of engine supply. How that will work for something like the situation red bull faced I'm not sure as to who decides which supplier is obligated or whether the affected team has any choice.
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Post by Wß on Nov 30, 2016 0:34:02 GMT
Honda has first responsibility from what I've read due to their only supplying McLaren and their exclusive contract expires next year. Every team already has an engine deal so we'd be looking at 2018 if there are to be changes.
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Post by RyRy on Dec 7, 2016 10:09:25 GMT
Not really liking any of the concept designs that I've seen for 2017 If the cars next year look close to being the same as this picture then I've got to say I don't like them. The front wing is just weird and I am pretty sure the changes won't help with overtaking, other than the bigger tyres.
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Post by LRW on Dec 7, 2016 11:50:17 GMT
that front wing is MASSIVE!
I also hate it - but as with everything, we will get used to it, and probably come to like it.
Eventually.
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Post by Hammer on Dec 7, 2016 13:17:35 GMT
I LIKE IT.
I don't love it...because of the small lil rear wing. If the rear wing matched the front wing size it would look pretty badass. Now it looks like a big boned dude with a hilariously small head. But I still like it.
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Post by Hammer on Dec 7, 2016 13:19:11 GMT
leigh _ I don't think the front wing is massive, its just the tyres and the cute little rear wing which makes it look magnified.
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Post by Wß on Dec 7, 2016 13:33:02 GMT
I'll reserve judgement until we see the official launches, but I'm thinking the side of the cars that will look best will be the profile. There's going to be a lot of opportunity to be different with the various vanes which would make it possible to tell the difference between cars without their liveries.
As it stands today, unless you're a real hard core fan, you couldn't spot anything outside of a Force India with their new nose and a Manor with their antiquated nose if all the cars were painted the same color.
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Post by RyRy on Dec 10, 2016 7:37:14 GMT
I think they should bring in a regulation to prevent teams from having old engines from previous years, either force the manufacturers to make the engines cheaper or discount them with FOM money.
The reason I say this is if you look at Mexico for example, the speeds everyone was able to get was:
Mercedes 2016: 351 without Slipstream | 370 with Slipstream (Perez managed 364 without Slipstream late into the race) Ferrari 2016: 346 without Slipstream | 363 with Slipstream (Vettel managed 363 without Slipstream late into the race) Renault 2016: 342 without Slipstream | 365 with Slipstream (Ricciardo managed 346 without Slipstream late into the race) Honda 2016: 347 without Slipstream | 356 with Slipstream (Button managed 349 without Slipstream late into the race) Ferrari 2015: 330 without Slipstream | 340 with Slipstream (Both with a 5~ kph drop off after hitting max)
Basically, The Ferrari 2015 Engine is so bad that even with slipstream they couldn't match any of the other cars and stood no chance on the straights, the other cars essentially had a slipstream advantage all race in comparison to the Toro Rosso's.
What's interesting is that the Honda engine isn't that slow, but with slipstream it doesn't gain much at all. 9KPH difference between with and without slipstream. Ferrari had a 17kph difference, Red Bull had a 23kph difference and Mercedes/Force India had a 19kph difference.
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Post by Wß on Dec 10, 2016 13:58:43 GMT
I think the issue with the Honda engine has more to do with harvesting and then deploying what it's harvested. It's just can't make enough from their ERS. We'll probably see them in the pack next year but I doubt they'll go for an entirely new platform.
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Post by stonemonkey on Dec 10, 2016 17:51:37 GMT
Could it possibly have been something to do with the gear ratios too? They'd be stuck using the gear ratios they started the season with (do they get 1 chance to change them in season?)
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Post by Wß on Dec 10, 2016 18:05:48 GMT
I don't know. It's possible I guess but unlikely. It's not like this was their first year around, it was their second so more than likely they'd have been on top of anything they got wrong there last year.
From what I've read it's as simple as they don't gather enough juice to then deply back throughout the lap. You get 45 seconds, I think they're nowhere near putting that many second in throughout the lap and it's over the long courses they've suffered most.
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Post by stonemonkey on Dec 10, 2016 18:59:39 GMT
I wasnt so much thinking of them getting it wrong but more having to compromise from starting off the season needing lower gearing and then unable to change that as the pu improved.
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Post by Wß on Dec 10, 2016 19:32:04 GMT
Those floating ideas don't have an understanding of what's fundamentally the issue. It's the equivalent of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. Refueling is not an issue. If they'd leave these 2017 regulations alone for five years, in 2018 we'll begin to see dividends, in 2019 we'll have a real title fight and in 2020 even a mid field team will be in play for a win.
Bernie hasn't had a "long term" thought in over a decade.
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Post by Wß on Dec 19, 2016 19:49:52 GMT
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Post by stonemonkey on Dec 19, 2016 22:06:28 GMT
If Ferrari have any sense that's what they've done as soon as they saw where they were at the start of the season, if not then they really have been crap without any excuse or much hope of digging themselves out of it.
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Post by Wß on Dec 19, 2016 23:48:22 GMT
When was the last time you remember Ferrari coming out on top the year after a major regulation change?
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