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Post by Wß on Jul 24, 2016 23:44:38 GMT
I hope Kimi Raikkonen gets driver of the day today, after all he brought that dog of a Ferrari from 14th all the way up to 6th place! That's like 8 spots! Worth every penny of that renewed contract.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Jul 25, 2016 2:32:55 GMT
I hope Kimi Raikkonen gets driver of the day today, after all he brought that dog of a Ferrari from 14th all the way up to 6th place! That's like 8 spots! Worth every penny of that renewed contract. +1 SaveSave
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Post by Wß on Jul 25, 2016 17:04:31 GMT
Did you catch that through the guard rail shot of the cars as they were coming up the hill and then the camera would pull back and catch the cars as they rounded the corner? It was one of those "creative" shots we get every so often but man they did the same shot over and over and over and over again... it lost it's special appeal after the third time seeing it.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 25, 2016 17:14:52 GMT
I saw that, looked like it was automated panning, maybe tracking a specific transponder. I think most times it was higher than the barrier but was below 3 times - I could be wrong, if it was completely manual then yes the artistic impression was ruined by doing it 3 times
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 25, 2016 17:23:56 GMT
Also going back to Buttons recent lameness, something still irritates me (apart from the guys face);
After he was overtaken he slows down and reports a brake pedal going to the floor - I thought the brakes were fly by wire, i.e whats hydraulic pressure gotta do with it?
then they told him to avoid shifting gear whats this got to do with the brakes or hydralulics?
Then it was said that his initial problem had cleared up just like that - by itself, so he slowed down and drove throught the pits because his brakes felt funny and then they didnt anymore and he carried on as before?
Lets say he had a problem with the gearbox/hydraulics and was penalised for receiving help - this had nothing to do with him losing places at the start, so all his whingeing has merely distracted from the fact that th following happened;
He got overtaken by a couple of cars and headed into the pit, they didnt change his tyres or talk to him so he headed out again at the back. And then after that was all ready to quit and call it a day - and problems started appearing
Meanwhile Alonso drags the car ahead of every other car outside the top 3 teams - consistently all weekend, every session
No wonder Jenson ducked out
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Post by stonemonkey on Jul 25, 2016 18:09:12 GMT
Did you catch that through the guard rail shot of the cars as they were coming up the hill and then the camera would pull back and catch the cars as they rounded the corner? It was one of those "creative" shots we get every so often but man they did the same shot over and over and over and over again... it lost it's special appeal after the third time seeing it. They had a nice shot looking from turn 5 to 6 with the camera tilted at an angle too. And I'm liking the new position of the onboard cameras, noticed that for a few races now so don't know when that changed.
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Post by Wß on Jul 25, 2016 18:36:32 GMT
Yeah, very positive feedback from the new onboards. I miss the infra red camera on the tires though that they had up until last year. You could see a lot with them and not just tire temperatures, at times you could see radiators glow and hot exhaust gasses glow.
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Post by stonemonkey on Jul 25, 2016 21:43:29 GMT
The explanation of there being no action against Rosberg in qualifying is that the track is divided into smaller sectors than we see for timing, typically around 8 seconds long and for double waved yellows the drivers are to be 0.5 secs slower than their best time through that sector. The sector marked by the waved yellow flags in this case though was shorter, around 3 seconds and Nico was around 0.2 secs slower through it and with it being shorter than usual that was deemed to be acceptable.
But from what I can make out, around 3 seconds after passing the waved yellows he passes a flashing yellow signal light which has the same meaning as the waved yellows and marks the start of the next sector (the one where the danger had actually been) which he completely ignores. Unless I'm colour-blind and it's actually a green light.
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Post by Wß on Jul 25, 2016 23:23:24 GMT
It's not the minutia of whether he did or he didn't. The spirit of the double yellow is to slow and be prepared to stop, which he wasn't. All other drivers affected did that, but Nico did not. The fact that he lifted is no different than treating is like a flashing Yellow or Waved Yellow, which it wasn't. It wasn't even marked by the stewards for investigation which shows often times they've got their heads up their asses or too much to do or both.
So like Lewis, and Vettel and a lot of other drivers stated, it effectively removes the difference between the two flags, so what's the point of a double yellow again?
It doesn't matter, because it's done but the impact going forward is yet to be felt. I mean it's the reason Bianchi was killed for not lifting enough under the yellows, it's the reason the VSC was introduced, so why treat it this way?
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Post by stonemonkey on Jul 26, 2016 0:07:30 GMT
I disagree, there has to be a line somewhere as to what's acceptable and what's not so that it can be decided without argument and at the moment that line exists, whether that current line is reasonable in terms of safety is one thing that should be examined after this but also how the stewards interpret that line. And another thing is that if I'm right about the flashing yellow light entering the next sector (I may be wrong but at the moment I don't see how) then that would mean one of two things, either the stewards are incompetent or the stewards have an agenda to look after Rosberg regardless of safety. ETA: and to be honest, with decisions made at the last few grand Prix I'm starting to lean towards the latter.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 26, 2016 4:39:46 GMT
They're ultimately more concerned about people tuning off rather than 'safety' (lets face it, head honchos dont give a damn about safety it's all PR), so penalizing Rosberg isn't good for the show since it makes things easier for Lewis.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Jul 26, 2016 4:49:11 GMT
BTW, this moan by Gutierrez...has anyone seen any images/video of Lewis' hand as he went by? The only footage I have is an onboard view during the pass and the camera angle didn't show Lewis' hands.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 26, 2016 5:40:29 GMT
Yeah I tried looking for footage of that, but can't find it so far. Though on live streaming I saw it clearly - a strong middle finger held in Guti's face for 8 seconds straight. It was a beauty.
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Post by racechick on Jul 26, 2016 7:25:58 GMT
I disagree, there has to be a line somewhere as to what's acceptable and what's not so that it can be decided without argument and at the moment that line exists, whether that current line is reasonable in terms of safety is one thing that should be examined after this but also how the stewards interpret that line. And another thing is that if I'm right about the flashing yellow light entering the next sector (I may be wrong but at the moment I don't see how) then that would mean one of two things, either the stewards are incompetent or the stewards have an agenda to look after Rosberg regardless of safety. ETA: and to be honest, with decisions made at the last few grand Prix I'm starting to lean towards the latter. I'm starting to agree with this . I was thinking of starting a thread on it...still might. About all the things Rosberg has got away with at the stewards. Four visits in the last three races to the stewards, one lenient penalty. One ineffective penalty and the others he got off. I heard somewhere talk that the stewards didn't want to interfere with the championship result by giving penalties to Rosberg. I just can't even begin to think about taking the arguement down that route! Im pretty certain if Lewis, or a range of other drivers for that matter, had been to the stewards with the things Risberg's done, there'd have been harsh penalties. The thing is, many of the infringements by Rosberg have been dangerous. ( more of this in that thread I'm going to start) Looking at the Silverstone penalty. He was clearly in breach of the rules and only got 10 seconds. Then they changed the rules and look what happened to Button. They now say you can't gamble on taking the hit for breaching thatvrulebecause it will be a more stringent penalty. So why wasn't it for Rosberg? And the double waved yellows,p? that was mental. Going purple under waved yellows and only lifting .1 is illegal, and for good reason. So now do we see another rule change to waved yellow? Or clarification that its .5 and once again Rosberg got away with it.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 26, 2016 7:54:36 GMT
It does seem strange that Nico breaks a rule and gets a mild penalty and then the penalty is beefed up for others
Whereas Lewis in Spa doesnt break any existing rule and is penalised harshly for a rule created afterwards
Lets not forget that the radio ban was created because Barbie was receiving turn by turn instructions on how to drive his car in the first place
If it had been Lewis with post it notes on his wheel I am sure a rule would have appeared to stop driving 'assisted by cribsheets'
Thats WWE F1 - Lewis gets a penalty for reversing after a race and Barbie gets ignored for setting purples during a crash scene
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Post by the2ndcoming on Jul 26, 2016 11:46:41 GMT
Yeah I tried looking for footage of that, but can't find it so far. Though on live streaming I saw it clearly - a strong middle finger held in Guti's face for 8 seconds straight. It was a beauty. 8 seconds? That is a strong finger. SaveSave
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