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Post by Wß on Mar 20, 2017 1:00:16 GMT
A thread for F1 records broken this season. One very tenuous record is Schumacher's 68 Poles. It will be bitter sweet when it falls, but I expect it to.
In the next few days I'll scan the book and see what else is on the chopping block. We'll certainly see quite a few Qualifying lap records fall by the wayside, I'm not entirely convinced we'll see outright fastest race laps though given the fact that it's going to be a tough year on fuel dependency due to the higher drag.
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Post by RyRy on Mar 20, 2017 2:13:23 GMT
How many fastest laps will go... I'm going to say every single one of them!
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Post by dogued on Mar 20, 2017 10:32:28 GMT
A lot of these will depend on Merc or Ferrari having a dominant year:
* During 2017, Kimi Räikkönen (253) and Felipe Massa (252) will move up to 5th & 6th respectively on the All Time Entries list. Fernando Alonso will close to 14 behind joint 2nd place Michael Schumacher & Jenson Button (308)
* If Lewis Hamilton wins 9 races, he will move ahead of Michael Schumacher on % of wins
* If Lewis Hamilton gets 8 poles, he will move to #1 on Total Pole Positions in F1
* If Lewis Hamilton gets Pole in the first 5 races, he will move to #1 on Consecutive Pole Positions in F1
* If Kimi Räikkönen sets fastest lap in Melbourne, he will move to equal 3rd for Fastest Laps At The Same GP
* Lewis Hamilton (104), Fernando Alonso (97), and Sebastian Vettel (86) can all equal or pass #2 Alain Prost (106) for Most Podiums in F1
* If Nico Hülkenberg fails to podium in 2017, he will move to #1 for Most Starts Without Podium in F1
* If Daniel Ricciardo (16) can finish in the points in the first 11 races, he will overtake Kimi Räikkönen for Consecutive Points Finishes
* Sebastian Vettel (13) and Lewis Hamilton (9) can both catch Ayrton Senna (19) for Races Led Every Lap
* Lewis Hamilton (32) and Sebastian Vettel (28) can catch Michael Schumacher (40) for Pole & Win in the same race
* Lewis Hamilton (21) and Sebastian Vettel (21) can equal or pass Michael Schumacher (22) for Most Wins At Different Grand Prix. *Note: Lewis can only equal with a win in Baku, while Sebastian can overtake with wins in Austria, Mexico, and Baku available.
Lap Records (Race Times ONLY, 2016 Circuit Variants)
Melbourne - 1:24.125 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2004)
Shanghai - 1:32.238 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2004)
Bahrain - 1:31.447 (Pedro de la Rosa, McLaren, 2005)
Sochi - 1:39.094 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2016)
Barcelona - 1:21.670 (Kimi Räikkönen, Ferrari, 2008)
Monaco - 1:17.939 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 2016) *Circuit Variation 6 (2015 - )
Canada - 1:13.622 (Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 2004)
Baku - 1:46.485 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2016)
Austria - 1:08.337 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2003)
Silverstone - 1:33.401 (Mark Webber, Red Bull Racing, 2013)
Hungary - 1:19.071 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2004)
Spa - 1:47.263 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 2009)
Monza - 1:21.046 (Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 2004)
Singapore - 1:47.187 (Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull-TAG Heuer, 2016) *Reprofiled turns 11-13 (2015 -)
Malaysia - 1:34.223 (Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams, 2004)
Suzuka - 1:31.540 (Kimi Räikkönen, McLaren, 2005)
USA - 1:39.347 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull Racing, 2012)
Mexico - 1:20.521 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2015)
Brazil - 1:11.473 (Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams-BMW, 2004)
Abu Dhabi - 1:40.279 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull Racing, 2009)
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Post by dogued on Mar 20, 2017 11:37:53 GMT
* 7 Tracks had either new lap records set in 2016 or were within 1 second of lap record last year. (Highlighted red) * 3 Tracks had lap times over 5 seconds slower than lap records in 2016, one of which was the wet race in Brazil. * 3 Tracks had times within 2.2 seconds of existing lap records in 2016. Track
| Race Lap Record | 2016 Fastest Race Lap | Difference | | Australia | 1:24.125 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2004) | 1:28.997 (Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-TAG Heuer) | +4.872 | | China | 1:32.238 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2004) | 1:39.824 (Nico Hülkenberg Force India-Mercedes)
| +7.586 | | Bahrain | 1:31.447 (Pedro de la Rosa, McLaren, 2005) | 1:34.482 (Nico Rosberg Mercedes)
| +3.035 | | Russia | 1:39.094 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2016) | 1:39.094 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes)
| 0.00 | | Spain | 1:21.670 (Kimi Räikkönen, Ferrari, 2008) | 1:26.948 (Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Ferrari) | +5.278
| | Monaco | 1:17.939 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 2016) | 1:17.939 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 0.00 | | Canada | 1:13.622 (Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 2004) | 1:15.599 (Nico Rosberg Mercedes)
| +1.977 | | Baku | 1:46.485 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2016) | 1:46.485 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes) | 0.00 | | Austria | 1:08.337 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2003) | 1:08.411 (Lewis Hamilton Mercedes)
| +0.074 | | Silverstone | 1:33.401 (Mark Webber, Red Bull Racing, 2013)
| 1:35.548 (Nico Rosberg Mercedes) | +2.147 | | Hungary | 1:19.071 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2004)
| 1:23.086 (Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari) | +4.015 | | Belgium | 1:47.263 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 2009) | 1:51.583 (Lewis Hamilton Mercedes) | +4.32 | | Italy | 1:21.046 (Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 2004)
| 1:25.340 (Fernando Alonso McLaren-Honda) | +4.294 | | Singapore | 1:47.187 (Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull-TAG Heuer, 2016) | 1:47.187 (Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull-TAG Heuer) | 0.00 | | Malaysia | 1:34.223 (Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams, 2004) | 1:36.424 (Nico Rosberg Mercedes) | +2.201 | | Japan | 1:31.540 (Kimi Räikkönen, McLaren, 2005)
| 1:35.118 (Sebastian Vettel Ferrari) | +3.578 | | USA | 1:39.347 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull Racing, 2012)
| 1:39.877 (Sebastian Vettel Ferrari) | +0.53 | | Mexico | 1:20.521 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2015)
| 1:21.134 (Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-TAG Heuer) | +0.613 | | Brazil | 1:11.473 (Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams-BMW, 2004)
| 1:25.305 (Max Verstappen Red Bull-TAG Heuer) *Wet* | +13.832 | | Abu Dhabi | 1:40.279 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull Racing, 2009) | 1:43.729 (Sebastian Vettel Ferrari) | +3.45 |
The main factors effecting RACE lap records will be fuel and competition. If Mercedes have a dominant year, and Lewis is under no immediate threat from Bottas, we know that he will finish the race at his own pace. In those situations, I can see Vettel strapping on some new rubber and going for records as he likes to showboat. Fastest lap times vs 2016 Pole times * Fastest times are during race weekend, so some 2016 pole times are slower than the record despite being the same year. * 12 Tracks have fastest times within 0.500s of the 2016 Pole time. * 3 Tracks have fastest times over 2s quicker than the 2016 Pole time. | Grand Prix | 2016 Qualifying | Fastest Lap | Difference | | Australia | 1:23.837 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:23.529 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull Racing, 2011) | +0.308 | | China | 1:35.402 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes) | 1:32.238 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2004) | +3.164 | | Bahrain | 1:29.493 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:29.493 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 2016)
| 0.000 | | Russia | 1:35.417 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes) | 1:35.337 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2016)
| +0.080 | | Spain | 1:22.000 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:19.954 (Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 2009)
| +2.046 | | Monaco | 1:13.622 (Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull-TAG Heuer) | 1:13.622 (Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull-TAG Heuer, 2016)
| 0.000 | | Canada | 1:12.812 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:12.275 (Ralf Schumacher, Williams-BMW, 2004)
| +0.537 | | Azerbaijan | 1:42.758 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes) | 1:42.520 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2016)
| +0.238 | | Austria | 1:07.922 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:07.908 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2003)
| +0.014 | | Britain | 1:29.287 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:29.243 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 2016)
| +0.044 | | Hungary | 1:19.965 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes) | 1:18.436 (Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 2004)
| +1.529 | | Belgium | 1:46.744 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes) | 1’44.503 (Jarno Trulli, Panasonic Toyota Racing, 2009)
| +2.241 | | Italy | 1:21.135 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1’19.525 (Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams-BMW, 2004)
| +1.610 | | Singapore | 1:42.584 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes) | 1:42.584 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2016) | 0.000 | | Malaysia | 1:32.850 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1’32.582 (Fernando Alonso, Mild Seven Renault, 2005) | +0.268 | | Japan | 1:30.647 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes) | 1’28.954 (Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 2006) | +1.693
| | USA | 1.34.999 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1.34.999 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 2016)
| 0.000 | | Mexico | 1:18.704 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:18.704 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 2016) | 0.000 | | Brazil | 1:10.736 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:10.023 (Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 2014)
| +0.713
| | Abu Dhabi | 1:38.755 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes) | 1:38.481 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull Racing, 2011) | +0.274 |
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Post by Wß on Mar 20, 2017 13:23:35 GMT
The issue with lap records is going to be fuel flow, tires are not going to be an issue in 2017 or only an issue in extreme hot/cold weekends. This year's Soft is about the same durability as last year's Medium and Pirelli will be bring the Soft compound to just about every race I'm sure.
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Post by dogued on Mar 21, 2017 14:58:08 GMT
Updated my post, now with track fastest laps vs 2016 pole times.
Never again! God some places are so out of date with data!
THIS is what Liberty should enable access to.. all data all the time for people like me who love combing through it.
Feel free to point out errors. Fastest times were taken at any point over a race weekend, so some records set in testing will still be faster at that track.
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Post by racechick on Mar 21, 2017 15:15:17 GMT
Brilliant work Dogued! That will be so useful to keep referring back to! Thanks for that.
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Post by Wß on Mar 21, 2017 15:20:33 GMT
Brilliant work Dogued! That will be so useful to keep referring back to! Thanks for that. Agreed, we have a year long reference point there! |
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Post by stonemonkey on Mar 21, 2017 18:15:30 GMT
Something for Alonso to look forward to in the season.
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Post by Wß on Mar 21, 2017 18:19:08 GMT
Something for Alonso to look forward to in the season. Something tells me Alonso would be head over heels if he broke into the triple digits this year even if they were all third place trophies. |
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Post by dogued on Mar 22, 2017 3:24:38 GMT
Cheers. I like data  Interesting for me was seeing some of the tracks that still have large margins to those record times. Spain for example, still 2 seconds off ultimate lap time and over 5 seconds off race record. Then you get Bahrain where Lewis set a new fastest lap in qualifying last year, but they were still 3 seconds off fastest race time. Other tracks I understand, weather can play a huge part in how fast a race weekend is. Alonso has a couple more milestones he could achieve in 2017, but I left them off because I thought the podium one was enough of a laugh! But here are a few more "fun" milestones for him and a couple of others: * If Alonso wins 10 races, he overtakes Senna on all time wins. * If Massa wins 6 races, he moves to #1 on the "Most Wins Without WDC" list. * IF Romain Grosjean picks up 4 podiums without a win, he moves to #1 on the "Most Podiums Without A Win" list. * If Daniel Ricciardo can finish the first 14 races, he will move to # 1 on consecutive finishes. * If Alonso can finish every race, he will move to within a couple of hundred km of #1 for Most Km Raced in F1 |
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Post by RyRy on Mar 22, 2017 4:14:30 GMT
Interesting for me was seeing some of the tracks that still have large margins to those record times. Spain for example, still 2 seconds off ultimate lap time and over 5 seconds off race record. Then you get Bahrain where Lewis set a new fastest lap in qualifying last year, but they were still 3 seconds off fastest race time. Other tracks I understand, weather can play a huge part in how fast a race weekend is. Interesting for me was seeing some of the tracks that still have large margins to those record times. Spain for example, still 2 seconds off ultimate lap time and over 5 seconds off race record. Then you get Bahrain where Lewis set a new fastest lap in qualifying last year, but they were still 3 seconds off fastest race time. Other tracks I understand, weather can play a huge part in how fast a race weekend is. A big part of that is the tyres that are brought to each GP because teams could beat the times if they ran supersofts at every single track. Another big part is race position, if teams wanted they could all reduce the race time to be much closer to the qualli laptimes if they ran more softer sets of tyres instead of stretching their tyres out and going often for a medium durability tyre in the race for the best strategy, doing 5 laps nearly matching qualli lap time doesn't translate into winning the race because they can't pull out enough time before the tyres need replacing. |
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Post by dogued on Mar 22, 2017 5:02:29 GMT
Interesting for me was seeing some of the tracks that still have large margins to those record times. Spain for example, still 2 seconds off ultimate lap time and over 5 seconds off race record. Then you get Bahrain where Lewis set a new fastest lap in qualifying last year, but they were still 3 seconds off fastest race time. Other tracks I understand, weather can play a huge part in how fast a race weekend is. A big part of that is the tyres that are brought to each GP because teams could beat the times if they ran supersofts at every single track. Another big part is race position, if teams wanted they could all reduce the race time to be much closer to the qualli laptimes if they ran more softer sets of tyres instead of stretching their tyres out and going often for a medium durability tyre in the race for the best strategy, doing 5 laps nearly matching qualli lap time doesn't translate into winning the race because they can't pull out enough time before the tyres need replacing. I understand that, I know there are other factors at play. I just found it interesting that they have found the pace at other tracks, but not all. Also that they have been able to set new qualifying records but still be seconds off ultimate race pace. Another factor in it is the guy winning the majority of races over the last 3 years. Lewis is very much a "slowest winning time" guy, he does exactly what it takes to win (as seen by only having 4 fastest laps in 2016.) While Sebastian is all about fast fast fast, always trying to make sure he has the fastest lap, even when almost a minute ahead of 2nd place. It's one of the reasons why I don't see many race records falling to Lewis in 2017, even if the Mercedes is streets ahead of the rest. Unless he has someone pushing him, he will always take the easy path to victory. |
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Post by Wß on Mar 22, 2017 12:20:18 GMT
It all boils down to two things. The fact that engines have to last five races, and the fact that there is not enough fuel to go full out all race long. It used to be the tires also contributed to that formula but that seems to be gone. There clearly isn't the "cliff" to these Pirelli tires there's been in previous years, their degradation is a hell of a lot more linear.
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Post by Wß on Mar 25, 2017 2:47:12 GMT
dogued hey just a small thank you from the bottom of my heart. I've referenced your post here about a dozen times now. 
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Post by dogued on Mar 25, 2017 7:59:08 GMT
*NEW RECORD*
Fastest Ever Lap at Melbourne GP 1:22.188 (Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 2017)
Lewis equals Senna with 6 poles at the Australian GP
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Post by Wß on Apr 3, 2017 17:38:41 GMT
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Post by dogued on Apr 3, 2017 22:30:35 GMT
The rest of that list for you:
Led at least ONE lap
1. Michael Schumacher 142
2. Lewis Hamilton 100
3. Ayrton Senna 86
4. Alain Prost 84
4. Fernando Alonso 84
6. Sebastian Vettel 79
7. Kimi Räikkönen 71
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Post by racechick on Apr 8, 2017 8:15:24 GMT
Records!
Since poles at one track
Six poles at Shanghai.
Six consecutive poles.? I think he's done that before though.
For Hamilton
Whoop , whoop
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Post by dogued on Apr 8, 2017 8:29:23 GMT
racechick awww.. you tried But not quite "records." NEW LAP RECORD - Lewis Hamilton 1’31.678 *IMPROVEMENTS* Lewis Hamilton 63 Pole Position (2 behind Senna, 5 behind Schumacher) Lewis Hamilton 6 Consecutive Pole Position - Equals Senna ('88 & '89), Mansell ('92), Hakkinen ('99), Roseberg ('15) on 6, 2 behind ultimate record Senna 8 poles 1988-1989 Lewis Hamilton 6 Poles at the Shanghai track, equaling his feat in Australia, 2 behind ultimate record of 8 (Senna in San Marino and Schumacher in Japan)
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