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Post by Wß on May 25, 2017 20:48:23 GMT
*while ripping bra out* Yeah but they lost an entire session to fine tune the car to be even better. Now they'd have to go back to the drawing board in FP3 to ensure they get good qual laps in, and then dictate pace from the front without much race fuel data.
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Post by Wß on May 25, 2017 20:51:29 GMT
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Post by Frontrunner on May 26, 2017 0:47:20 GMT
The Toro Rosso seems quite handy around the streets, they could be best of the rest in that midfield battle this weekend.
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Post by Hammer on May 26, 2017 1:06:28 GMT
*while ripping bra out* Yeah but they lost an entire session to fine tune the car to be even better. Now they'd have to go back to the drawing board in FP3 to ensure they get good qual laps in, and then dictate pace from the front without much race fuel data. Ted just asks who are those famous people....and Toto is all "Im married I'm not looking at the girls". Looks like someone is probably wishing he ain't married. Lol
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Post by racechick on May 26, 2017 6:57:16 GMT
The Toro Rosso seems quite handy around the streets, they could be best of the rest in that midfield battle this weekend. Probably will......since this week I haven't git either TR in my top ten.
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Post by RyRy on May 27, 2017 9:17:44 GMT
Frontrunner It should be close between Force India and Toro Rosso but yeah they look very decent. They usually turn the wick up like Mercedes in qualli so we'll see Mercedes appear to have gone the wrong way somewhere on setup unless they're sandbagging like crazy. (Maybe the tyre pressure shit is effecting them a lot here because it's very low)
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Post by Wß on May 27, 2017 10:47:24 GMT
Yeah, I think there's no sandbagging going on. This one is going to be a Ferrari circuit, I doubt Mercedes will manage to dip below 1:12 let a lone get the pole. The shorter wheelbase is the tip of the nod here for Ferrari. Whether or not they'll have the front row to themselves is the question. Kimi tends to suck here, but not sure if that means that a Red Bull or a Mercedes would start from the front row with Vettel.
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Post by racechick on May 27, 2017 12:16:08 GMT
What's going in with the Mercs? Especially Lewis?
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Post by RyRy on May 27, 2017 12:40:23 GMT
They went wrong inbetween FP1 and FP2 and took the car on the wrong route setup wise and have been chasing the right setup. Hamilton's rear is all over the place, terrible rear end. i.imgur.com/47Ebcoa.pngGood to see the McLarens able to get into the top 10. Really wonder what Mercedes did wrong, they've done this before in Singapore...
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Post by Frontrunner on May 27, 2017 12:43:50 GMT
Wow! Hamilton 14th
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Post by racechick on May 27, 2017 12:48:19 GMT
Car was good in FP1, why didn't they just leave it? Didn't they do the same mistake going after wrong set up a race or so ago?
Are they missing Paddy on the engineering side do you think?
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Post by RyRy on May 27, 2017 13:06:15 GMT
racechick They turn up for FP1 with a setup they think will work and during/after FP1 they change the setup for FP2 and this is where the team went wrong so Thursday's running was wasted. They then had to try and fix the car and test it in FP3 but they probably didn't get it to where they wanted it, I would expect the team to have gone for two slightly different setups for Hamilton & Bottas. But Hamilton did suggest something was wrong with the car, they might replace parts in parc ferme if they can prove parts were faulty (non-power engine parts) and replace them with like for like parts. Raikkonen was on it all weekend, unstoppable. He even lost time out the last corner & down the straight as he didn't hug the inside. Bottas got freaking damn close, amazing effort from him after the team fully admitted the team went the wrong way. Red Bull had no answers to Merc & Ferrari boosts for final part of qualifying.
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Post by Frontrunner on May 27, 2017 13:06:41 GMT
And Bottas gets right in there with the Ferrari's, Such a massive difference in car behavior between the team mates.
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Post by dogued on May 27, 2017 13:08:01 GMT
Just because they finished FP1 top, doesn't mean the car was GOOD. their times are on a normal progression from FP1 to Q3, it's the other teams that made a big leap from FP1 to FP2.
Anyway, Lewis can only blame himself and Stoffel for that. It's not the first time he's left runs too late, and he's not the only one to do it (Ferrari used to be KINGS at that one a couple of years back!)
And brilliant to see Kimi back on pole!
*EDIT FOR SPELLING* And to just clarify, even with the setup stuff up, the time Bottas ran was about the jump you'd have expected from FP1 - Q3. Lewis just wasn't on it, not happy with the car this year.. maybe he's unfit? Certainly huffing and puffing a lot more.
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Post by racechick on May 27, 2017 13:30:03 GMT
He was huffing and puffing in that race because he's not taking a drinks bottle to save weight.
Q2 was a nightmare. I don't think it was choice that that lap which could have got pole was so late. The car just wasn't right beforehand.
Big shame because if he'd gone through Q2 he'd have started 8th at worse. Big difference between that and 13th at Monaco.
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Post by RyRy on May 27, 2017 19:38:19 GMT
Just because they finished FP1 top, doesn't mean the car was GOOD. their times are on a normal progression from FP1 to Q3, it's the other teams that made a big leap from FP1 to FP2. The team themselves admitted that the car was good at the start of FP1 and that they went the wrong way on setup through FP1 into FP2 which ended up being wrong and they had to jump back and start again and try and chase the setup in FP3. Anyway, Lewis can only blame himself and Stoffel for that. It's not the first time he's left runs too late, and he's not the only one to do it (Ferrari used to be KINGS at that one a couple of years back!) Not at all, a significant part of the blame is with the team for going in the wrong direction. They essentially had an hour~ to come up with a setup and they would not have put both drivers on the exact same setup they would of had some differences and for Bottas it worked. He had done a run early on but the rear kept sliding all over the place and he nearly crashed so he came back in so they could check the car because he thought something was wrong with the car. And to just clarify, even with the setup stuff up, the time Bottas ran was about the jump you'd have expected from FP1 - Q3. Lewis just wasn't on it, not happy with the car this year.. maybe he's unfit? Certainly huffing and puffing a lot more. That's because one setup worked, one didn't. Just look at the onboards the rear of Hamilton's car was all over the place through most corners where as Bottas's was significantly better. As for the huffing and puffing; like RC said it's to do with having no drink. If you lose 2+kg of fluid over an hour and a half without a drink you'd be huffing and puffing.
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Post by Wß on May 27, 2017 20:39:06 GMT
The other thing that happend was a rancom FiA spot check on Lewis' car after he was already coming in due to the car not being to his liking, that killed about a minute while the car was weight etc. The SVD crash just was the cherry on top. He was at best going to finish 4th or 5th.
It's a long season so throw this one away and start fresh, this along with Singapore were always going to be the difficult races for this car with the wheelbase what it is. He can't afford any more throw away races though. Thankfully Canada is next. If he doesn't come in at least in 5th place, it's going to put a lot of pressure on Mercedes overall or they'll have to start hoping reliability favors their efforts this year at some point.
Maybe rain tomorrow will mix things up but it's been a rare entirely dry Monaco weekend.
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Post by Hammer on May 28, 2017 11:02:35 GMT
So what's with Lewis anyway....forgot how to set a car up? How is Bottas having no issues and Hamilton is always going the wrong way, same issue at Russia as well. Looks more like Lewis and his engineers trying to be a bit clever with some setup and just wrecking it all up.
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Post by racechick on May 28, 2017 11:13:19 GMT
Yeah, twice now. What's going on?
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Post by RyRy on May 28, 2017 11:53:08 GMT
So what's with Lewis anyway....forgot how to set a car up? How is Bottas having no issues and Hamilton is always going the wrong way, same issue at Russia as well. Looks more like Lewis and his engineers trying to be a bit clever with some setup and just wrecking it all up. They both had issues, Bottas couldn't even match Hamilton in FP2. They both ran slightly different setups for FP3 and Qualli (Lauda admitted this) so looks like they went a little wrong with Hamiltons car. If I was Mercedes right now I would put Hamilton on the supersofts at the start of the race, hoping for a crash so he can put and be on the faster tyre.
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