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Post by Wß on Jun 13, 2017 13:40:03 GMT
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Post by Hammer on Jun 13, 2017 14:27:29 GMT
Ooohhhh Baku! Will the winner of Baku defend his victory this time around! Stay tuned for Nic....oh wait. Oh no! I won!
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Post by Wß on Jun 13, 2017 16:23:31 GMT
There was a story floatin' round the other day about Toto saying he wouldn't be surprised to see Nico with Ferrari next year. Lolz.
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Post by dogued on Jun 15, 2017 0:41:57 GMT
Hamilton was on it all weekend last year, till he hit the wall in Q3. In the race, he was flying till the "setting" issue, so am looking for some "unfinished business" driving this weekend from him. There were some overtakes on the straights, who can forget that glorious sight of Perez passing Kimi on the last lap (even if he didn't need to) for the podium All in all, I am at least hopeful of more action than in Sochi!
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Post by Wß on Jun 15, 2017 2:58:56 GMT
I'm putting Force India high on the list for this one.
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Post by London on Jun 18, 2017 8:34:14 GMT
Ferrari will probably be more strong than Mercedes on this one so Im going with Seb for the pole for the time being.
1. Baku is a low degradation circuit = a track surface that is not very abrasive. Another problem to warm up the tyres. The track looks also a lot like Sochi for the long straights and Monaco for the tight low and medium speed corners.
2. Some say that the sector 3 with the long straight will be for Mercedes but their engine is no longer dominant on the long straights like those 3 last years. We still need to see if Ferrari can compete on this side though. Baku’s S3 might be a representation of the power level.
3. Mercedes might have a hard time to find the right setup which will allow the drivers to put the tyres in the right temperature window more quickly and easily and have a lot mechanical grip for stability and balance in corner entry, mid and exit so sector 1 and 2 could possibly be Ferrari. The longweelbase might be a problem also. But if they do things well to be competitive and to leave this grand prix with a positive result which means be ahead of the Ferraris, It could be the first turning point of the season for them.
Well Lewis and Bono, don't demolish what you have achieved in Canada, It's time to deliver.. race after race to catch up soon, then keep up.
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Post by Wß on Jun 18, 2017 12:37:41 GMT
It's a development battle from this point on. This circuit will see the real performance delta between the two cars. I wouldn't doubt that Ferrari might be on top in peak horsepower but Mercedes is clearly on top on the driveability and power delivery. Ultimately Ferrari do seem to have the top end speed whether it's from the HP peak advantage or from an inherent aero advantage, I'm not sure yet. But the difference between the two is more down to drivers than to cars at this point. I've read a couple of references whereas Mercedes really didn't expect pole in Canada but somehow Lewis pulled it off, and it was why they seem so chuffed by the result. Azerbaijan with my third favorite flag, Portugal being fist and South Africa second.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 18, 2017 13:47:13 GMT
Ferrari will probably be more strong than Mercedes on this one so Im going with Seb for the pole for the time being. 1. Baku is a low degradation circuit = a track surface that is not very abrasive. Another problem to warm up the tyres. The track looks also a lot like Sochi for the long straights and Monaco for the tight low and medium speed corners. 2. Some say that the sector 3 with the long straight will be for Mercedes but their engine is no longer dominant on the long straights like those 3 last years. We still need to see if Ferrari can compete on this side though. Baku’s S3 might be a representation of the power level. 3. Mercedes might have a hard time to find the right setup which will allow the drivers to put the tyres in the right temperature window more quickly and easily and have a lot mechanical grip for stability and balance in corner entry, mid and exit so sector 1 and 2 could possibly be Ferrari. The longweelbase might be a problem also. But if they do things well to be competitive and to leave this grand prix with a positive result which means be ahead of the Ferraris, It could be the first turning point of the season for them. Well Lewis and Bono, don't demolish what you have achieved in Canada, It's time to deliver.. race after race to catch up soon, then keep up. I agree with a lot of this. It's Ferraris turn now to get +7, if Mercedes can stop that somehow it would be great. The next three after are Austria, GBR, Hungary (Lewis territory)....all more Mercedes territory. So let's see.
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Post by racechick on Jun 18, 2017 15:50:48 GMT
Lewis was certainly in a league if his own last year til the wall incident. I don't think I'd bet against him for pole....but .....but.... there have been a few issues this year with finding the sweet spot of the Merc. London we have a couple of prediction games going , whereby we guess the final top ten finishing order. One is just people on our forum, the other is an interforum one( this one you also have to guess pole sitter and pole times.) you may be interested in looking through some of the threads and possibly joining in? This is the link to the interforum....... f1forum.org/thread/625/interforum-league-2017 And this tells you about our own pool f1forum.org/thread/29/f1-forum-pool-gameWe have a separate thread for each race in our own pool. For example, her was the thread for Canada. f1forum.org/thread/656/f1-pool-canadian-gp-2017Oh one other point. Predictions for the interforum have to be in by 10 pm Thursday eve. Predictions for our own game can be anytime up to start of formation lap. Anyway have a browse, see what you think.
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Post by London on Jun 18, 2017 23:32:18 GMT
It's a development battle from this point on. This circuit will see the real performance delta between the two cars. I wouldn't doubt that Ferrari might be on top in peak horsepower but Mercedes is clearly on top on (*) the driveability and power delivery. Ultimately Ferrari do seem to have the top end speed whether it's from the HP peak advantage or from an inherent aero advantage, I'm not sure yet. (**) But the difference between the two is more down to drivers than to cars at this point.(**) I've read a couple of references whereas Mercedes really didn't expect pole in Canada but somehow Lewis pulled it off, and it was why they seem so chuffed by the result.Azerbaijan with my third favorite flag, Portugal being fist and South Africa second. * How do you know that ? I mean that you refer to what, to know that they are better than Ferrari ? ** I agree on that. Even Seb was pushing to the limit but he did too much errors. He was still behind Ham even with the ideal lap calcul, something like 0.130s of him, I read. Seems like the Ferraris are more difficult to drive when you need to push above the limit. Maybe because the car doesnt generate enough downforce on tracks where you dont really need to generate downforce by the setup, I dont really know.
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Post by London on Jun 18, 2017 23:33:04 GMT
Lewis was certainly in a league if his own last year til the wall incident. I don't think I'd bet against him for pole....but .....but.... there have been a few issues this year with finding the sweet spot of the Merc. London we have a couple of prediction games going , whereby we guess the final top ten finishing order. One is just people on our forum, the other is an interforum one( this one you also have to guess pole sitter and pole times.) you may be interested in looking through some of the threads and possibly joining in? This is the link to the interforum....... f1forum.org/thread/625/interforum-league-2017 And this tells you about our own pool f1forum.org/thread/29/f1-forum-pool-gameWe have a separate thread for each race in our own pool. For example, her was the thread for Canada. f1forum.org/thread/656/f1-pool-canadian-gp-2017Oh one other point. Predictions for the interforum have to be in by 10 pm Thursday eve. Predictions for our own game can be anytime up to start of formation lap. Anyway have a browse, see what you think. If he is in a position to do it, then.. it's another story for sure. Thanks, I'm going to check all these stuff. Edit : I join the game, I made an account on www.zdkf1.com/ my nickname is "f1forumorgTeamLH" I will join the pool game also.
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Post by Wß on Jun 19, 2017 0:51:47 GMT
We take gaming seriously. Very seriously.
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Post by racechick on Jun 19, 2017 1:28:24 GMT
excellent!
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Post by Wß on Jun 19, 2017 2:50:29 GMT
It's a development battle from this point on. This circuit will see the real performance delta between the two cars. I wouldn't doubt that Ferrari might be on top in peak horsepower but Mercedes is clearly on top on (*) the driveability and power delivery. Ultimately Ferrari do seem to have the top end speed whether it's from the HP peak advantage or from an inherent aero advantage, I'm not sure yet. (**) But the difference between the two is more down to drivers than to cars at this point.(**) I've read a couple of references whereas Mercedes really didn't expect pole in Canada but somehow Lewis pulled it off, and it was why they seem so chuffed by the result.Azerbaijan with my third favorite flag, Portugal being fist and South Africa second. * How do you know that ? I mean that you refer to what, to know that they are better than Ferrari ? ** I agree on that. Even Seb was pushing to the limit but he did too much errors. He was still behind Ham even with the ideal lap calcul, something like 0.130s of him, I read. Seems like the Ferraris are more difficult to drive when you need to push above the limit. Maybe because the car doesnt generate enough downforce on tracks where you dont really need to generate downforce by the setup, I dont really know. You're kind of answering your own question here but the driveability of the engine (PU) is more to do with how it delivers the power, the peak horsepower and the torque and being able to control that massive MGU power release and for how long they're able to deliver it. So over the last two years as Ferrari got their PU up to task we've seen them spin a lot especially out of corners. Kimi has done this more than Seb. What that suggests is that the Ferrari is not able to provide the same smooth and linear delivery of power, more likely spiking and causing the rear to spin. The opposite may also be true harnessing the kinetic energy while braking causing the car to be not as stable. This second part is more me thinking out loud kind of thing if there's an issue going one way (delivery) there may be an issue going the other way (harnessing) as well. There's been a couple of side by side pole lap comparisons between Seb and Hamilton and the Mercedes simply gets off of the curves better/faster than the Ferrari. The Ferrari however is eventually able to catch up to the Merc and in some instances overtake it on the side by side, but then Hamilton is able to brake better or seemingly smoother and gain time again on the exits to curves. Let me see if I can chase down a video if there's one still up.
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Post by Wß on Jun 19, 2017 2:56:45 GMT
Okay, found it... look specifically at the overhead banners and some of the key landmarks at the sides of the track, it's a real time comparison and you can see what I'm describing about who gets off the apex better and then you can see Seb catching up but having to brake at the next turn and it starts over again. No way for sure to tell if it's only PU or if there's Aero benefits, at least I can't tell but there are clear differences in the initial acceleration out of corners and aero isn't a factor there so that's clearly PU... what I'm describing as driveability. Maybe sophistication of the electronics in the power delivery is a better way to put it than driveability.
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Post by dogued on Jun 19, 2017 8:54:01 GMT
I'm tipping a Hamilton Grand Chelem here for a number of reasons: 1. Unfinished business. He was tearing up the track last year, till that pesky little wall tap. Should have been on pole. 2. THAT settings issue.... without it, he was moving up prior and setting fastest times after. It certainly is one of the issues that cost him the WDC; should have finished 3rd. 3. Speed. Mercedes have NOT been pushing speed in races recently. Canada was a prime example where they didn't feel the need to hit the maximum output and were around 10km/hr down on qualifying and FP speed trap times. There is certainly more power available under the hood to call on. 4. Wear and tear. Ferrari do have to be careful about how much they push certain elements; specifically Vettel's turbo and MGU-H units. The WDC is about lasting the distance, and as we saw with Hamilton last year, even 1 race of penalty grid drops can make the difference. 5. Development. While Ferrari certainly made the most of early gains across the board, Mercedes brought updates to Canada to specifically target problem areas, and as a result didn't suffer the tyre warming issue they had early in the season. Given that this race is likely to be an update-neutral race, I don't see them dropping back. 6. Nicole will be there, single again, and I'm sure Lewis will want to rub in that he's moved on and better for it
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Post by racechick on Jun 19, 2017 9:11:54 GMT
Yes, this race cost Lewis a lot last year. He was miles ahead of any one til The Wall. And then that stupid rule where they couldn't tell Lewis they'd put him on the wrong engine setting and how to fix it. Changed the rule after that, after they helped Nico when he forgot how to skip a gear ( was it Silverstone? Can't remember) I have a good feeling for Lewis this weekend too.
EDIT: Did you say Nicole will be there??
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Post by racechick on Jun 19, 2017 9:14:22 GMT
Okay, found it... look specifically at the overhead banners and some of the key landmarks at the sides of the track, it's a real time comparison and you can see what I'm describing about who gets off the apex better and then you can see Seb catching up but having to brake at the next turn and it starts over again. No way for sure to tell if it's only PU or if there's Aero benefits, at least I can't tell but there are clear differences in the initial acceleration out of corners and aero isn't a factor there so that's clearly PU... what I'm describing as driveability. Maybe sophistication of the electronics in the power delivery is a better way to put it than driveability. Could this just be what you referred to earlier? Hamilton is so good at late braking, it's one of his greatest strengths...when he has the car set up to his liking. It would be interesting to see a side by side of Kimi and Bottas.
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Post by dogued on Jun 19, 2017 11:18:24 GMT
Yes, this race cost Lewis a lot last year. He was miles ahead of any one til The Wall. And then that stupid rule where they couldn't tell Lewis they'd put him on the wrong engine setting and how to fix it. Changed the rule after that, after they helped Nico when he forgot how to skip a gear ( was it Silverstone? Can't remember) I have a good feeling for Lewis this weekend too. EDIT: Did you say Nicole will be there?? Yup. Saturday night concert - The Black Eyed Peas & Nicole Scherzinger And she's on a break from Grigor (who's trying to get back with Maria)..... so maybe a little showing off all round
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Post by racechick on Jun 19, 2017 13:01:52 GMT
I think Lewis and Nicole were made for each other, and they both know that. It's just, life got in the way.
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