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Post by dogued on Jun 19, 2017 14:59:20 GMT
I think Lewis and Nicole were made for each other, and they both know that. It's just, life got in the way. I don't think it was life.... did you ever see that quote from Lewis about his cars? “I used to say, when I had a girlfriend, ‘I’m taking one of the girls out, so you can come if you want, but you come second when it comes to the cars.” But anyway, who knows what can happen when the adrenaline is pumping hahaha
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Post by racechick on Jun 19, 2017 16:48:01 GMT
Yes you're right. I think Lewis had two loves, Nicole, and being a winning racing driver. The racing driver one won, but not without some hardship to himself. I saw him on the stage at Silverstone after he'd broken up with her, he was almost in tears ( you know what he's like, can't hide his emotions, written all over his face) and was talking about the love if his life. I was thinking....'What? ' I thought. 'Are they back together' , but no, he was so sad. I think he knew. Knew what he'd given up. But he'd made his choice.
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Post by London on Jun 19, 2017 18:52:04 GMT
* How do you know that ? I mean that you refer to what, to know that they are better than Ferrari ? ** I agree on that. Even Seb was pushing to the limit but he did too much errors. He was still behind Ham even with the ideal lap calcul, something like 0.130s of him, I read. Seems like the Ferraris are more difficult to drive when you need to push above the limit. Maybe because the car doesnt generate enough downforce on tracks where you dont really need to generate downforce by the setup, I dont really know. You're kind of answering your own question here but the driveability of the engine (PU) is more to do with how it delivers the power, the peak horsepower and the torque and being able to control that massive MGU power release and for how long they're able to deliver it. So over the last two years as Ferrari got their PU up to task we've seen them spin a lot especially out of corners. Kimi has done this more than Seb. What that suggests is that the Ferrari is not able to provide the same smooth and linear delivery of power, more likely spiking and causing the rear to spin. The opposite may also be true harnessing the kinetic energy while braking causing the car to be not as stable. This second part is more me thinking out loud kind of thing if there's an issue going one way (delivery) there may be an issue going the other way (harnessing) as well. There's been a couple of side by side pole lap comparisons between Seb and Hamilton and the Mercedes simply gets off of the curves better/faster than the Ferrari. The Ferrari however is eventually able to catch up to the Merc and in some instances overtake it on the side by side, but then Hamilton is able to brake better or seemingly smoother and gain time again on the exits to curves. Let me see if I can chase down a video if there's one still up. I got it, nice explanation.
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Post by London on Jun 19, 2017 19:58:29 GMT
I agree with a lot of this. It's Ferraris turn now to get +7, if Mercedes can stop that somehow it would be great. The next three after are Austria, GBR, Hungary (Lewis territory)....all more Mercedes territory. So let's see. Mercedes won back to back at Sochi and Spain. I'm tipping a Hamilton Grand Chelem here for a number of reasons: 1. Unfinished business. He was tearing up the track last year, till that pesky little wall tap. Should have been on pole. 2. THAT settings issue.... without it, he was moving up prior and setting fastest times after. It certainly is one of the issues that cost him the WDC; should have finished 3rd. 3. Speed. Mercedes have NOT been pushing speed in races recently. Canada was a prime example where they didn't feel the need to hit the maximum output and were around 10km/hr down on qualifying and FP speed trap times. There is certainly more power available under the hood to call on. 4. Wear and tear. Ferrari do have to be careful about how much they push certain elements; specifically Vettel's turbo and MGU-H units. The WDC is about lasting the distance, and as we saw with Hamilton last year, even 1 race of penalty grid drops can make the difference. 5. Development. While Ferrari certainly made the most of early gains across the board, Mercedes brought updates to Canada to specifically target problem areas, and as a result didn't suffer the tyre warming issue they had early in the season. Given that this race is likely to be an update-neutral race, I don't see them dropping back. 6. Nicole will be there, single again, and I'm sure Lewis will want to rub in that he's moved on and better for it 3. Jacques Villeneuve said Mercedes compromised their speed for better corner performance without sacrificing anything in straight lines. We even saw that the mechanics were doing some change on the rear wing to increase a lil bit downforce/drag. That means Mercedes gained all that time back in braking zone and corners. 5. But Toto said there are still question marks about the car that remain and they have to get on top of it. "Although they had really similar set-ups, Lewis's grip level was increasing through the qualifying sessions, and Valtteri's were decreasing. And for no obvious reasons to us." He also said that Baku will be another challenging situation. www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes--question-marks-car-917901/?s=1
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Post by London on Jun 19, 2017 23:28:59 GMT
I still hope Nicole and Lewis can go back together to be honest. Nicole wanted childs due to his age but Lewis didn't want due to his career so Nicole asked him to choose. I believe that's the realest version of the story Now Nicole hanging out with Ed Sheeran. Nicole deserves better to be honest.
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Post by dogued on Jun 19, 2017 23:40:05 GMT
I was a bit off with the speed differential between Qualifying and Race; Driver | S1 | S2 | S3 | Vettel (Qualifying) | 268.7 | 293.8 | 301.5 | Vettel (Race) | 265.2 | 294.1 | 313.7 | Hamilton (Qualifying) | 268.4 | 292.4 | 301.8 | Hamilton (Race) | 262.8 | 289.4 | 292.6 |
Mercedes were clearly running a tuned down engine for the race, yet Hamilton was easily the fastest on track. Adjustments for cornering aside, no changes were made from Q1 to Race. If they can maintain their "new" cornering and tyre warming gains as well as turn up the engine a bit, both cars should be free and clear on Sunday. The caveat to this is if one or both of the Ferrari's get in front then it may make overtaking difficult as they aren't exactly short of pace themselves.
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Post by Wß on Jun 20, 2017 1:42:28 GMT
Some of that Vettel speed delta especially the sector three gain is due the the car having less drag due to the missing barge board. Now I'm getting curious for Baku to see what we can extrapolate from there.
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Post by dogued on Jun 20, 2017 2:42:45 GMT
True, but an overall trend for Ferrari is usually even race-quali speeds, if not a slight increase. Mercedes on the other hand are normally 4-6 down in races. This is from all races this year (I just couldn't be bothered going back again!)
Maybe Merc need to stop babying the car during the race so much, or maybe that's why they have used overall less components.
But honestly, we're only JUST on 1/3 distance! So much more to come as the season continues!
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Post by London on Jun 22, 2017 0:00:54 GMT
Technical analysis reforms made on the track. Nothing really different.
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Post by dogued on Jun 22, 2017 5:10:35 GMT
I really like techpro walls... much better than tyres
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Post by dogued on Jun 23, 2017 10:03:30 GMT
Will update as the weekend goes on. Thinking we'll be under 1:40 by Q2. 2017 Fastest Session TimesFP1 | 1:44.410 (M.Verstappen) | FP2 | 1:43.362 (M.Verstappen)
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2016 Fastest Session TimesFP1 | 1:46.435 (L.Hamilton) | FP2 | 1:44.223 (L.Hamilton) | FP3 | 1:44.352 (L.Hamilton) | Q1 | 1:43.685 (N.Rosberg) | Q2 | 1:42.520 (N.Rosberg) | Q3 (Pole Time) | 1:42.758 (N.Rosberg |
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Post by London on Jun 23, 2017 14:37:35 GMT
Hamilton P10 at the end of FP2, seems like he struggles. We will have a clear vision during FP3 but it doesnt look good so far.
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Post by Wß on Jun 23, 2017 14:58:31 GMT
No struggles, he actually had a good bead on the car and didn't have issue with braking, I think he's dialed in well. He didn't even put on the super soft tires. Red Bull however are getting really good pace from an inherently low drag car. I don't think Merc had turned up their PU yet though and Bottas is on it with the super soft.
Ferrari is rumored to have brought a new PU with upgrades for this track. Really we won't see how it all pans out for the teams until Saturday. I don't believe we'll see anything much different in FP3.
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Post by dogued on Jun 23, 2017 14:58:50 GMT
Maybe.. but he also set his best times on S not SS like everyone else, so who knows!
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Post by dogued on Jun 23, 2017 15:00:00 GMT
No struggles, he actually had a good bead on the car and didn't have issue with braking, I think he's dialed in well. He didn't even put on the super soft tires. Red Bull however are getting really good pace from an inherently low drag car. I don't think Merc had turned up their PU yet though and Bottas is on it with the super soft. Ferrari is rumored to have brought a new PU with upgrades for this track. Really we won't see how it all pans out for the teams until Saturday. I don't believe we'll see anything much different in FP3. He ran SS for 11 laps total today... around half that over the drivers above him.
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Post by Wß on Jun 23, 2017 15:21:37 GMT
This is going to be a strong circuit for both the Force India and Williams, expect to see them rounding out all of the points positions after the top three. I amd actually more concerned about Hamilton's lack of laps versus the lack of pace, maybe detected something? Dunno.
Giving this circuit a second chance, the race was shit last year but it is actually a very difficult circuit for the drivers. Heard it described as "half Monaco and half Monza" and it's a bitch to get the cars to work well on both parts of the course.
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Post by Wß on Jun 23, 2017 15:22:53 GMT
He ran SS for 11 laps total today... around half that over the drivers above him. Interesting, didn't notice because I was streaming and on a conference call at the same time... his fastest lap is listed as being on Soft, what went on?
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 23, 2017 15:52:24 GMT
Surprised and encouraged to see the Red Bulls high up there, be interesting if this form carries into Quali.
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Post by racechick on Jun 23, 2017 16:03:46 GMT
Eeeeks. Not seen anything of the running yet, just lying by pool and catching up on here. P10 for Hammy! thought he'd breeze it! Will have to find a bar for quali. I'm hoping quali will be a few tenths above 1 .40. ( so a bit slower than you predicted dogued.
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Post by Wß on Jun 23, 2017 16:04:33 GMT
Surprised and encouraged to see the Red Bulls high up there, be interesting if this form carries into Quali. They may be able to fight for a podium... if one of the Ferrari or Mercs craps out. The straight is so long they will never be able to keep someone (Merc or Ferrari) behind them in the DRS zone.
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