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Post by Wß on Jun 25, 2017 15:50:12 GMT
No argument on the Mercedes issue. It was their bad. The frustration is that Vettel has shown to be a whiny scumbag allowing his anger to show behind the wheel. Cursing out Charlie, this was an intentional attack on another Driver. The penalty is a joke.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 25, 2017 15:59:20 GMT
Feel sorry for u Hamilton fans, such a silly thing to go wrong and also to have the rival car finish ahead rubs more salt in the wound, feel for you guys. As for the outcome, so so happy that Daniel was there to pick up the crumbs and get the win, got to take them when you can. Kinds of makes up for Monaco 2016 where I almost broke the TV in frustration. It did feel strange when they applied the Vettel penalty, straight after Hamiltons pit stop. they could of applied that way earlier than that considering there was a red flag period. Anyway much more commentary during the next few days on that incident for sure, also be interesting how the Lewis and Seb relation goes from now, they have had such good rapport but surely that changes. Also Kudos Stroll, big turning point in his career right there, looked strong all weekend, vast improvement from his early races. So to sum up, enjoyed the race, enjoyed the chaos, drama, and the Ricciardo win.
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Post by dogued on Jun 25, 2017 16:02:51 GMT
Vettel obviously has a backup career as a comedian! On the radio "When? When did I drive dangerously?" On TV "Yes, I hit the back of his car, that's it. I don't think that was my fault" Oh man... this guy cracks me up!
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Post by Wß on Jun 25, 2017 16:03:51 GMT
He's really a worm.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 25, 2017 16:15:03 GMT
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Post by dogued on Jun 25, 2017 16:15:18 GMT
^^^^^ See... FUNNY guy! "I guess it was the running in the back of him" Oh Seb! You so silly! Sad thing for me is that I really hated him as a driver from day 1, but had started to change my mind and actually like him after his move to Ferrari. he seemed more reasoned and happy and not so self centered. Then he goes and behaves like this and it all comes back how he used to be. Maybe it's the pressure of being in the tittle hunt? Maybe the last 2 years of knowing he wasn't going to really win made him more relaxed. Anyway.. will see. Strange, there still isn't anything on the FIA about his initial penalty, and the longer that goes then the more I think it could be getting worse. Perez & Raikkonen getting a drive through is listed, and that came after. Could he be looking at a belated DQ?
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 25, 2017 16:16:10 GMT
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Post by racechick on Jun 25, 2017 16:31:06 GMT
I'm just in such a bad mood.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 25, 2017 16:36:17 GMT
could of told you that years ago as being a Webber fan but like dogued I started to warm to him when moving to Ferrari. Seb isn't a bad guy, he seems a top bloke but put him in a car and it a different man. when things don't go his way, he can't control his emotions and does something silly. That part of Seb hasn't changed since his red bull days. I thought by now he would know better.
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Post by Wß on Jun 25, 2017 16:40:40 GMT
I've said it myself many time, outside of the car he's a funny good natured, in the car when things don't go his way he's an embarrassment. With the Charlie Whitting can go fuck himself comment last year and this, intentionally trying to damage another driver/car it would be a black mark if the FiA doesn't step in.
Like everything else Ferrari and he seems to be handed special dispensation for his penalties, I'm sure we'll see strongly worded reminder to all drivers that intentionally trying to hit another car is a disqualifying offense... but that's next race. This race, it was a stop & go penalty.
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Post by racechick on Jun 25, 2017 16:41:07 GMT
Lovely interview by Lewis. Cheered me up a bit! Weasel Vettel Showed his true colours, like when he drive into Webber. Scumbag. Gone right off him. He's a dirty player. No more second chances when he goes smiley giggly out of the car.
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Post by Wß on Jun 25, 2017 16:57:52 GMT
Vettel didn't even have the balls to do the interview with Will Buxton after the spoke to Hamilton here, Vettel refused.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 25, 2017 17:08:18 GMT
I'm just in such a bad mood. feel your pain RC loose headrest is such a lame thing to go wrong, still remember when Webber pitted twice on lap 1 and lap 2 for a loose headrest on his Red Bull back in Japan 2009, such a stupid issue to have.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 25, 2017 17:17:30 GMT
Ok, can't leave it. Under the sporting regs, the stewards have these options for the race itself: 1. 5s Penalty 2. 10s penalty 3. Drive-through penalty 4. 10s Stop-and-Go penalty 5. A time penalty 6. A reprimand 7. Drop of grid positions for next event 8. DQ from race 9. Suspension from next event Now, given all the options above, I DO think a 10s stop-go was the right call considering the situation (behind a safety car so low speed). A DQ would be a bit far really, although I do see the argument for one. And it's not really Vettel's fault that some guy at Merc didn't put the headrest on properly. However, I do think that based on past decisions, he MUST also get grid drops and penalty points at a minimum. If you use your car in such an unsporting and dangerous way you should be instantly disqualified and banned for the next race + penalty points. He risked ending his own race, Hamilton's race and even potentially the race for other drivers behind whist also potentially endangering those drives & endangering spectators/marshalls. I'd even go as far as saying that he's bringing the sport into disrepute.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 25, 2017 18:10:44 GMT
In regards to the rules, they state that the lead car dictates the speed of a safety car restart and can drive at ANY speed as long as they do not accelerate and then brake excessivley as that can cause crashes. Hamilton's drive practically identical on the two previous restarts at that point of the track so it clearly wasn't a brake check. Vettel had got over his doucheyness but it appears to be back, guess the pressure of titles gets to him. Shocking that the FIA can be so soft on him just because he's leading the championship in a Ferrari car.
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Post by stonemonkey on Jun 25, 2017 19:23:45 GMT
All grown up men.... except vettel it seems, what a dick in his interview, all but admitting it was a deliberate collision but no acknowledgement that might've had some bearing on the penalty. Shocking behaviour in a safety car situation, he got off lightly and still complains. Worm indeed.
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Post by Wß on Jun 25, 2017 21:05:05 GMT
Actually the only thing more embarrassing than Vettel's performance today was seeing all the haters coming out of the woodwork to provide their expert commentary on how it wasn't Vettel's fault in any way shape or form. This championship is going to be Mercedes's and Hamilton's sweetest actually. The qualifying oil boost is shut down so I expect Mercedes front row lockouts going forward. Little respect for this diva behind the wheel. I actually have to apologize, I've seen a great deal of Ferrari fans come out and call out the stupidity of what their number 1 driver did, kudos to those numbers today. Not all forums are
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Post by Hammer on Jun 26, 2017 3:58:42 GMT
Yeah no more "respect" nonsense between the two, that was some fabricated shit anyway. The Merc VS Ferrari rival was a bit too tame for me, I want to see Ferrari being destroyed on and off track. I want to see WAR! And now we've got one.
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Post by dogued on Jun 26, 2017 8:49:41 GMT
Ok,am awake and had plenty of time to let the dust settle.
Firstly, Lewis not winning. Heartbreaking stuff considering the guy had this all wrapped up, but the fault lies clearly at the door of the mechanics. It's not the first time we've seen this sort of thing happen (Webber in Japan I think), and for the sake of safety there was no real alternative, but have to feel for the guy.
Secondly, the rear bump from Vettel. Stewards have reported that upon seeing ALL telemetry, Lewis is 100% in the clear. He did not drive differently to any of the other restarts, other than taking the corner a little slower than previously in order to let the SC get away. Given the previous start was so close to him overtaking the SC before the line, I can see why. Vettel just fell asleep a little and tried to cover up. All things considered, this probably would have been a "no further action required" moment.
Thirdly, the side swipe. I cannot believe Vettel was still denying any wrongdoing in post race interviews! Surely the team and he had a chat during the red flag about what a stupid move it was. "Dangerous Driving" doesn't even come close to describing the stupidity at driving into the side of another car with sudh force to lift both your tyres off the track! Accident or not, he deserved that stop-and-go at a minimum. I still cannot believe the FIA will let it rest at that. Surely there MUST be some form of grid drop for Austria. Even RAI (Italian TV station) were saying that this brought the sport into disrepute and that Ferrari should think long nad hard about any sort of contract renewal if this was the behaviour from their "star" driver. When hardcore Tifosi are saying it was wrong, you know there's something in it! Liberty Media cannot want this sort of stuff to go unpunished, or are we to see a sanctioned return to the days of Schumacher/Villenueve, Schumacher/Montoya, Schumacher/Hill, Prost/Senna etc.
Having said all that, it was certainly an eventful race and I was really impressed by Ricciardo & Stroll keeping clean and constantly moving forward. Even more impressed with Bottas keeping his head down and chasing Stroll for 12 laps to pinch 2nd.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 26, 2017 8:55:04 GMT
Bottas really drove his heart out though, I wish he got DOTD.
But it would probably be Vettel again. Lol
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