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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 26, 2017 9:15:27 GMT
Vettel didn't even have the balls to do the interview with Will Buxton after the spoke to Hamilton here, Vettel refused. Think I found Will Buxton NBC interview WB, you see Seb trying everything to avoid the swerve part of the incident. Hopefully you can see it before it gets blocked.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 26, 2017 9:26:09 GMT
Bottas really drove his heart out though, I wish he got DOTD. But it would probably be Vettel again. Lol To be fair so did Ricciardo & Stroll. - Ric had to pit a few laps into the race and came out at the back of the pack all because his brake ducts were blocked with debris and in a slower car he kept his head down and overtook drivers bit by bit and on the restart pulled a great move to overtake 2 cars into turn 1 which ultimately won him the race. - Stroll is still a rookie, he's come into the sport in a year where there is lots to learn and is pretty tough on rookies into a team that has some weird performance, they have decent straight line speed, but lack downforce and the car is pretty twitchy this year. He had a few races that kept chipping away at his confidence but recently has built it back up and this should now help him a lot throughout the rest of the year. A podium in his rookie season, something not even Hulkenburg has managed yet I can't wait to see how Ferrari & Mercedes do in future races, If Ferrari are still comfortably slower than Mercedes at Austria & Hungary (Silverstone is a power track) then it's pretty safe to say that Ferrari were indeed the team who were burning oil which I suggested in pre-season testing because I just found it rather odd that a team could make up so much time and now match and better Mercedes at some tracks. If we look at Baku Ferrari were 1+ seconds slower than Mercedes which is roughly what most people expected it to be like between the two teams in pre-season testing & start of the season. FIA clearly is back to being Ferrari International Assistance, I hope Liberty Media step in and force the FIA to punish Vettel more because 3 points on his license + 10s stop go isn't enough, it needs to be at a minimum a race ban OR a disqualification. Hamilton being considerably faster than Bottas in quallifying shows what we missed last year with Hamilton at Baku! I doubt Rosberg would have matched Hamilton's lap on Saturday.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 26, 2017 9:28:13 GMT
Bottas really drove his heart out though, I wish he got DOTD. But it would probably be Vettel again. Lol either Bottas or Stroll probably, although be hilarious if Vettel did get it. lol Almost want Vettel to win it just to show how much of a joke DOTD really is.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 26, 2017 9:30:12 GMT
Fun Fact: Daniel Ricciardo and Lance Stroll are the only current drivers to not ever have received a penalty point on their licenses.
Props to Buxton on not letting him get away with avoiding it, good on him for trying as hard as he could to get the real answer.
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Post by Wß on Jun 26, 2017 10:53:19 GMT
Seriously, it was all about keeping the WDC "fun". If they DSQ Vettel as they should have, it would have swung the pendulum massively towards both Mercedes in the WCC and Hamilton in the WDC.
So no only did they wait an ternity to pass along a judgement when what Vettel did was absolutely clear. They then realized that Hamilton's headrest would be an issue and they had to respond with something for Vettel in order to keep things even.
Other than Vettel for him being a twit and and worm and a scumbag for not even having the balls to take responsibility for what he did, even after he'd gotten away with a wristslap. Liberty Media is the target to bombard here with the negative commentary, shameful.
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Post by dogued on Jun 26, 2017 11:10:15 GMT
While it's up. 1:42 for Perez's view of the incident.
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Post by dogued on Jun 26, 2017 11:16:23 GMT
On a lighter side... I like this summation of Baku! Little Alonso looks so happy!
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Post by dogued on Jun 26, 2017 11:20:26 GMT
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Post by Wß on Jun 26, 2017 11:33:02 GMT
When the "shoey" guy is the voice of reason. LOL
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 26, 2017 13:06:04 GMT
Seriously, it was all about keeping the WDC "fun". If they DSQ Vettel as they should have, it would have swung the pendulum massively towards both Mercedes in the WCC and Hamilton in the WDC. So no only did they wait an ternity to pass along a judgement when what Vettel did was absolutely clear. They then realized that Hamilton's headrest would be an issue and they had to respond with something for Vettel in order to keep things even. agree with that, I felt the timing of the penalty was strange at the time. It was like they reacted to the Hamilton issue and therefore give Vettel a penalty for "the show". If Hamilton didn't have the headrest issue i bet no in race penalty would be applied to Vettet and instead he probably would've received a large grid drop for Austria as punishment perhaps. Also 'they' wouldn't have the balls to DSQ or hand out a race ban to a WDC contender, if it were another driver, say someone like a Grosjean then there would have been a certain DSQ or race ban.
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Post by Wß on Jun 26, 2017 13:34:24 GMT
And that's where this stinks to high hell, it's not for race stewards to decide the outcome of races, it's for them to administer fair and consistant penalties for offenses and decide whether it was an offense or not. So no question on the offense here, so there's absolutely nothing you can rationalize that would warrant one driver, deliberately or in a fog of war as Vettel fans are now excusing him with doing that to another driver under race conditions.
Adding to the list of grievances, another was pointed out by eagle eyed fans, Vettel actually overtook Hamilton when you watch the video, he was in front of him, adding passing under a SC to the list of penalties.
1-causing an avoidable collision. (since it was shown that Hamilton did nothing different than every other restart) Unpunished 2- Intentional collision with another car (Ten second stop & go) 3- Overtaking during a SC Unpunished
Merely on the volume of penalties, under the lightest punishment given in other examples of similar offenses, Vettel would be looking at the stop and go as well as 5 seconds added to his time for the initial contact and 5 seconds added to his time for the overtaking during the SC.
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Post by dogued on Jun 26, 2017 14:01:44 GMT
Personally, given this result, Schumacher's family should appeal the lose of the WDC to Villenueve!
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Post by RyRy on Jun 26, 2017 15:36:08 GMT
Well... I see it like this:
1) Causing a collision. Result: 10 second penalty. (See Rosberg vs Hamilton in Austria 2015, Rosberg received a 10 second penalty 2) Intentionally causing a further collision with another car. Result: Disqualification and/or 1 race ban. (It's very much dangerous, risky and unsporting. 3) Overtaking during a safety car. Result: Ten second time penalty. (See Hulkenberg in China 2017, he received a 10 second penalty for overtaking during a safety car period. 4) Bringing the sport into disrepute. I personally would give someone a race ban for this, especially because of the nature of what has brought the sport into disrepute... He pretty much got away with it last time in Mexico so now this surely deserves a much stricter approach as he didn't learn from the last time he brought the sport into disrepute.
In total I think he should receive:
- Disqualification from the race. - 1 race ban - 5 penalty points (bringing him 1 point away from receiving another race ban)
I also think the FIA should change the way points are removed, if you earn a penalty point you should not be able to have any points removed for upto 3 months.
If this was the other way round, I would feel just as strongly on Vettel's side as I am on Hamilton's side at the moment. It doesn't matter who you are or what team you drive for this is unacceptable behaviour.
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Post by Wß on Jun 26, 2017 15:47:23 GMT
^^ okay, not fair! I go with the lightest penalty so you get to go with the heaviest? I agree the big factor is the wide open interpretation of bringing the sport into ill repute...
This i not over by a long shot.
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Post by Wß on Jun 26, 2017 16:53:51 GMT
i love this in the Dailymail seemingly... as if it only seemed he hit Lewis, not that he actually did. Oh man... love it. A comment from Twattie Stewart: If this doesn't bring CookinFlat6 out of retirement, nothing will.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 26, 2017 16:57:46 GMT
Stewart is a fucking bastard. Deserves a swift kick in the face.
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Post by Wß on Jun 26, 2017 19:04:36 GMT
Fake news and alternative facts has entered the sport of F1. Even with facts on hand, there's still a brake check phenomenon on the interwebz. Man I'd be happy to leave things as they are, but seeing the fools coming out of the woodwork from the places they went to hide, tails tucked between their legs for the last three years, to defend Vettel's "honor" on this one. Really makes me want to push for the FiA to further sanction the worm. Already looking forward to Austria. This topic has been overcooked.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 26, 2017 22:54:25 GMT
Vettel received only 3 penalty points for causing a collision yet he actually caused 2 collisions, which deserves 5 penalty points. (2 for the first collison; 3 for the second)
He also overtook under the safety car which is a further 2 penalty points. (See Hulks points a few races ago), Therefore he deserves a total of 7 penalty points which takes his count to 11.
Now for bringing the sport into disrepute, I would argue this deserves at least 3 more penalty points but as it is relating to the 2nd collison awarding him a single penalty point is acceptable which brings his count up to 12 and thus deserves a race ban.
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Post by Wß on Jun 27, 2017 1:36:48 GMT
It's felt like a steady stream of Vettel's Witnesses knocking on my door trying to make me see how Vettel bears no responsibility for any of it, he didn't ever hit Hamilton's car that hard. Kill me.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 27, 2017 1:39:32 GMT
That Pitambar guy looks like he has suffered brain damage from all the bullying he must be receiving daily in school.
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