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Post by racechick on Jul 9, 2017 12:52:43 GMT
Whys Lewis' tyres gone crap? I can't tell what he's saying on radio.
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Post by Wß on Jul 9, 2017 12:54:04 GMT
He's struggling with oversteer. The rears are slipping, too much front wing.
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Post by racechick on Jul 9, 2017 12:59:26 GMT
Shit! That's me joining the dunce club in the pool then! ( amongst other disappointments of course)
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Post by racechick on Jul 9, 2017 13:02:21 GMT
Why did they do that? Give him too much front wing? This is poo! I should have switched my first two places. I blame natny !
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Post by RyRy on Jul 9, 2017 13:28:56 GMT
Vettel goes a further 6 points ahead of Hamilton.
Mercedes should have stuck it out a little longer before switching Hamilton to the ultra-softs. It was also clear that Hamilton's card had way too much front wing on the last stint. The tyres on the Mercedes cards looked terrible towards the end of the race.
Very Surprised Ric held onto 3rd, that was impressive driving.
Williams' race performance was WAYYYY better than their qualli pace.
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Post by Liam Catterson on Jul 9, 2017 13:32:09 GMT
Nice, marvellous, well fought win for Bottas. It was Russia all over again, but with Perez filling in for Massa
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Post by Wß on Jul 9, 2017 13:34:02 GMT
Not a bad race, Silverstone next week? Going to run over and vote for Vettel driver of the day. The scrap between Ricciardo and Hamilton was cool, would have loved to see it go a little longer. Ricciardo now on the podium five races straight!
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Post by Frontrunner on Jul 9, 2017 13:42:25 GMT
Too late WB, Bottas has already been awarded DOTD. Ferrari fans are too slow
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Post by Wß on Jul 9, 2017 14:33:58 GMT
BTW, nice drive from Grosjean, not a single complaint about the brakes for the entire weekend!
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Post by Frontrunner on Jul 9, 2017 14:54:40 GMT
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Post by Wß on Jul 9, 2017 15:03:16 GMT
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Post by Frontrunner on Jul 9, 2017 15:28:12 GMT
Okay I just seen this clip and it seems Bottas does actually start moving before lights out, not sure what the exact rules are with being within the box, lines then also how it works with sensors. Bottas must have been right on it then.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 9, 2017 16:13:58 GMT
Glad Bottas got the win. Didn't watch the race, but heard it was a hard fought and well defended towards the end. Congrats to him and I think he's put himself in the running now for the trophy as well.
And it looks like Verslappen is now starting to self destruct....he's scoring no points and now has less than half the points of Ricciardo. He's going to be feeling the heat now, after being Wunderkid last year....anything lesser is going to make him look like a loser. The irony huh.
Another great race by Force India drivers....I say Ocon deserves Raikkonens seat already. He's fantastic.
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Post by Wß on Jul 9, 2017 17:22:56 GMT
Okay I just seen this clip and it seems Bottas does actually start moving before lights out, not sure what the exact rules are with being within the box, lines then also how it works with sensors. Bottas must have been right on it then. We know it couldn't have been a jump start because the stewards investigated it and gave the all clear.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 9, 2017 17:54:35 GMT
From an F1 site, this section makes good sense about what happened.
As with all systems, room has been built in for tolerances or margins of error. Machines developed and maintained by human beings are as imperfect as the creatures who work on them. The FOM transponders are no different, and a very narrow band of tolerance has been determined inside which a jump start is determined not to have taken place.
Since the start procedure was changed with a view to making drivers completely responsible for their own starts, we have seen the grid making the same sort of adjustments to clutch position that an ordinary driver would make before pulling away in their road car. The transponder data from an ordinary race start shows slight 'bubbling' above and below the zero line while drivers find their biting points.
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I guess even if the car isn't completely static at the time, Bottas might have released the car however, the movement of tyres/car was still within the error margin of the system. And the car made 'significant' motion only once the lights were out.
Though I'm surprised his reaction time was timed at 0.2xx though, that's still pretty slow for what we see happen. I'd guess he let go the clutch pretty much about 0.0xx seconds, pure luck and possibly an accidental thing which turned out great.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jul 9, 2017 23:36:03 GMT
0.2 reaction time surprised me too, more like 0.001. Bottas just nailed it with some luck as well.
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Post by Wß on Jul 10, 2017 13:22:48 GMT
Vettel still doesn't buy it.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jul 11, 2017 4:16:52 GMT
I'm surprised there is a tolerance allowed, but anyways if they remain consistence then it won't bother me.
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Post by dogued on Jul 11, 2017 4:58:20 GMT
They have to allow for some movement when finding the clutch bite point. As for his "reaction" time, I think he knows he just got away with robbing the store! Not saying he deliberately jumped, but I think he chose that exact moment to bite and thought it was christmas when the lights went out and he was so much closer to releasing. Interesting numbers being thrown around out there.... an Olympic study apparently found high performance Olympic athletes had an AVERAGE reaction time of 0.193s, so Bottas isn't really that great
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Post by Wß on Jul 11, 2017 12:36:00 GMT
Yeah, apparntly anything lower than 1 tenth is simply luck. Not humanly possible to get with a reaction time.
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