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Post by Hammer on Jun 29, 2017 16:11:10 GMT
I swear I think Bundle is a great commentator but whenever it comes to the yellow bellied duck, he can't help deepthroating Jenson Pussy Button at every opportunity.
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Post by stonemonkey on Jun 29, 2017 17:05:54 GMT
I'm not too bothered one way or the other, the penalty was lenient and he should've been DQ'd at the time but what's done is done, don't particularly want to see any race bans or anything like that. I don't think his post race attitude will have done him any favours though.
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Post by Wß on Jun 29, 2017 17:28:43 GMT
If they're smart his team will negotiate to a DSQ as a result with a one year long clause of no further disciplinary actions for similar ill repute type of offenses. They have at their disposal anything from a disqualification from the race series for the year to a disqualification of the team given their inability to control Vettel. At least Hamilton has enough sense to go into his RV and trash it in private, not go thumb his nose at the stewards after receiving what everyone considered a lenient penalty. Like Webber says I guess.
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Post by ichabod on Jun 29, 2017 17:43:34 GMT
Man why can't that little shit just stay quiet in retirement, fuckin moron can't help opening his big mouth and tweeting his worthless opinions and they always sound like its coming from a mentally deficient prick. I'm obviously referring to the yellow bellied son of a bitch duck of course. I hate it when you sugar coat your feelings! Tell us how you really feel
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Post by dogued on Jun 30, 2017 1:27:41 GMT
The big problem is that people are getting caught up in all the rest of the incident and missing the main issue. From fanboys to media, people keep talking about the "non" brake check and Hamilton's "go slow" tactics. Then they say things like "let them race" or "Hamilton deserved it" or "it was on a race track" or "he got a punishment in the race" etc, but it boils down to one thing:
Sebastian Vettel deliberately turned into Lewis Hamilton with enough force to lift 2 wheels off the ground while behind a safety car.
This wasn't head to head fighting, it wasn't a racing incident, the speed they were going doesn't matter, if Hamilton had "Mama Vettel Gives Great Head" on his rear wing it STILL wouldn't matter. There are no mitigating circumstances that can excuse the action. Yes, he got a penalty in the race for making contact, but this is a bigger picture thing. In Football, if you get a red card and get sent off then you have been punished... but you still face disciplinary action post game.
I'd love to see JB bump someone in his next triathlon swim leg, only to have that person pull along side in the bike leg and kick him off shouting "racing incident mate! You provoked me!"
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Post by racechick on Jun 30, 2017 7:49:13 GMT
"Mama Vettel gives good head" on his rear wing. coffee spluttered onto breakfast table! Great post . So many seem to be missing the main point of the incident, or minimalising it or worse still excusing it. I've seen some real gems. Deliberate action against a competitor in a fit of petulance, when on a warning from the FIA about this sort of loss of control.
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Post by dogued on Jul 1, 2017 23:47:08 GMT
Vettel 'irresponsible' in clash - StewartGood headline yes? Read more... So, under Stewart's world view, the following at acceptable and justifiable excuses for breaking the rules: "I didn't like the way he looked at me" "I was drunk" "Did you see what she was wearing" "She was asking for it" As I keep saying, there is no justification for driving in that manner under SC conditions.
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Post by racechick on Jul 2, 2017 0:02:03 GMT
What's wrong with this man? I have great respect for what he did behind the wheel but he's turned into a twat. His hatred of Hamilton is alarming. Is he jealouse/ angry that Lewis is taking all his records? Is he a racist? Okay once, twice maybe Stewart may have a differing opinion, but its every damn time, even when the situation is black and white.
Does he not know the rules of how racing resumes after a safety car? The lead driver takes over the pace.
He admits in that article that Vettel was wrong, then he says
"However, there's another side to that which I think is more important."
He thinks it's more important that Hamilton didn't accelerate as fast as Vettel expected. More important than rear ending the driver in front then pulling alongside and ramming him from the side.
The man's lost the plot completely.
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Post by dogued on Jul 2, 2017 4:55:53 GMT
For someone who was so vocal about F1 safety and who made such great gains in the push to reduce the number of drivers dying each year, I was certainly surprised to see him make less fuss over what happened. Speaking of former F1 drivers with an opinion on it all.... Has anyone asked Damon Hill what he thinks should happen to a German driver who deliberately turns into his WDC rival's car?
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Post by racechick on Jul 2, 2017 8:25:17 GMT
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Post by dogued on Jul 2, 2017 12:31:01 GMT
HAHAHAHA Oh that is SO perfect....... not the article, the fact that right next to an article talking about a German driver hitting his English rival, there is THIS...
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Post by Wß on Jul 2, 2017 14:04:41 GMT
Love how the issue is that Hamilton failed to accelerate out of turn 15. LOLz.
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Post by racechick on Jul 2, 2017 14:33:17 GMT
It's is the Scuderiafans.com. I didnt clock that at first.
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Post by London on Jul 2, 2017 15:22:05 GMT
Webber with the balls to say the truth.
It would have been more interesting to know whether they think the penalty was enough or not. Undestandably Rosberg was being very diplomatic.
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Post by dogued on Jul 3, 2017 9:56:53 GMT
Today is the day! Probably won't hear anything official until Tuesday evening.
For those who have missed the process, from what I can piece together:
Mon 3rd - Special hearing regarding the incident. The FIA could rule to either dismiss the case as done, post DQ Vettel from Baku, issue race ban(s), or refer to the FIA International Tribunal for further punishment (or to keep their hands clean).
FIA IT - Convenes around 45 days after the charges being laid (so from today if that was the route taken), and although they can speed that up it's unlikely given the 3 races between here and the summer break in 30 ish days. Here, in front of a judging panel of 3 selected from the pool of 36, the full case will be heard (media is allowed inside) and penalties can be handed out, or the whole thing dismissed. If Vettel doesn't like the verdict here, he can appeal to the International Court of Appeal and likewise, if the FIA aren't happy they can do the same.
What's MOST likely to happen is either Vettel will be given a suspended sentence and forced to issue a public admission of guilt and remorse, or a post-race Baku DQ. Given that it's an election year for Todt and he has based his term on using Motorsport to promote road safety, I think Vettel will get that DQ AND be forced to make a statement.
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Post by Wß on Jul 3, 2017 10:11:16 GMT
We should start a punishment poll.
I'm against the public apology thing as that's what kept him from being dragged over the coals last year with Charlie, being quoted as the reason for no further punishment at the time.
I'm going to go with a DSQ from the Baku results (does that move everyone up a position?) and a heavy fine... something along the lines of $100k or more enough to make it sting. Ferrari will advise him not to continue to appeal. It's as black and white as it gets (unless one has their head up their ass)and the sponsors would not want to see this dragged out another couple of months.
It would serve no purpose to that unknown hanging over his head. He's going to start getting grid spot penalties from replacing components soon, they just can't afford it in the middle of a championship race.
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Post by dogued on Jul 3, 2017 10:45:54 GMT
Disqualification from Baku. €125,000 fine (€100,000 suspended). Public admission of wrong doing and regret at his actions. Also Appear in a road safety campaign where the footage is shown, followed by him walking on screen saying "Road rage. It happens to the best of us at times, but it's not OK. When you are in control of a vehicle, you hold others lives in your hands and must act in a responsible manner. Don't be a Seb, stay calm on the roads."
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Post by dogued on Jul 3, 2017 10:52:51 GMT
Actually, I was being a little tongue-in-cheek over the safety campaign..... however... FIA 3500 LivesThis is a campaign from the FIA where sporting and music stars champion a "golden rule" of the road. Right now, there's no rule about staying calm... I think having Vettel be the face of a push to remind drivers to remain calm behind the wheel would be good for the sport and might help him a little.
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Post by stonemonkey on Jul 3, 2017 10:56:14 GMT
I'm with dogued, if anything, I'd think DQ'd from Baku and to make a statement, cant really see him getting more than that and as far as I know it'd mean everyone behind moved up a position. Whatever he gets though, you know it'll all be Lewis and Mercs fault.
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Post by dogued on Jul 3, 2017 11:04:24 GMT
Ok, must be "bored-o-Clock" because I'm here trawling through the FIA code of conduct. May update this with interesting finds....
like this gem:
2.6.2.e The commission of a road traffic offence, officially established by a national police authority, constitutes an infringement of the Code if this offence is serious, has placed others in danger or is contrary to the image of motor sport or to the values defended by the FIA.
Didn't know that one! Punishments include a warning, suspension of super licence, and/or requirement to undertake a community awareness program.
*Edit 1* Well now, this would appear to cover Mexico...
12.1.1.f Any words, deeds or writings that have caused moral injury or loss to the FIA, its bodies, its members or its executive officers.
*Edit 2* ... and here is something for Baku:
12.1.1.h Any unsafe act or failure to take reasonable measures, thus resulting in an unsafe situation.
12.1.2 Unless stated otherwise, offences or infringements are punishable, whether they were committed intentionally or through negligence.
*edit 3* and why they are hearing this....
12.2.6 As well as this and independently of the prescriptions of the following Articles, the prosecuting body of the FIA may upon the proposal and report of the FIA observer, upon the joint report of the two international stewards designated by the FIA, or on its own initiative in pursuance of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, bring a matter before the International Tribunal to have it directly inflict one or more penalties which will take the place of any penalty which the stewards may have pronounced on any one of the above mentioned parties.
*edit 4* Appendix L 4.2.e) It is not permitted to drive any car unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers at any time.
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