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Post by RyRy on Jul 26, 2017 0:27:55 GMT
I didn't know that Ferrari have been asked by the FIA to change their floor / rear wing trick 3 times throughout the year so far! After China they were asked and they made a small change which seemingly did nothing, they were asked again before Azerbaijan and this change was a fair bit bigger and this helped but still didn't satisfy the FIA so at Austria they were made to add a strengthening plate/arm which satisfied the FIA and apparently stosp teh rear wing from doing what it was doing early on in the season. That combined with the oil burning warnings from the FIA (to all teams) appear to have removed Ferrari's straight line speed performance that was noticeable before on all of the previous tracks, for the last two races in Great Britain & Austria it's been very clear that Mercedes is now the leaders in this area. Did they lose it in high speed corners too ? Not sure, the rear wing / floor trick was helping them at top speed and the oil burn was helping them on acceleration which helped them get to their top speed faster. It was clear that Ferrari have lost out a lot in regards to the floor trick being stopped & the oil burn limits being made stricter so I suspect that because they don't want Mercedes to run away with the championship (certainly looks like it based of their performance in the last 3 races, despite the bad luck they've had) they upped the limit to give Ferrari a chance as Ferrari seemed to by the most affected team by the oil burn limits.
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Post by Wß on Jul 26, 2017 11:28:30 GMT
This is a really good writeup over at Sky on the differences between the Mercedes and the Ferrari, and how Mercedes has been making ground. Illustrates very well how Mercedes found itself on the back foot due to their hydraulic valve spring suspension ban. It also highlights the advantages for both design philosophies the teams chose this year. Long but certainly worth a read!
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Post by London on Jul 26, 2017 23:48:19 GMT
It was clear that Ferrari have lost out a lot in regards to the floor trick being stopped & the oil burn limits being made stricter so I suspect that because they don't want Mercedes to run away with the championship (certainly looks like it based of their performance in the last 3 races, despite the bad luck they've had) they upped the limit to give Ferrari a chance as Ferrari seemed to by the most affected team by the oil burn limits. The FIA makes me laugh sometimes because on this hypothesis Mercedes could become even more dominant than they are since the Canadian grand prix. I was thinking that the only reason James Alisson wanted the oil burn rules to be clarified was because Mercedes was not cheating but now I know the reason is that Ferrari benefited (probably) more than Mercedes if they seemed to be more affected.
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Post by London on Jul 26, 2017 23:52:14 GMT
This is a really good writeup over at Sky on the differences between the Mercedes and the Ferrari, and how Mercedes has been making ground. Illustrates very well how Mercedes found itself on the back foot due to their hydraulic valve spring suspension ban. It also highlights the advantages for both design philosophies the teams chose this year. Long but certainly worth a read!Indeed. He should have written some words on the reliability side of both cars.
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Post by racechick on Jul 28, 2017 9:36:42 GMT
This last comment about P1, on the autosport live feed, when the red flag came out, made me laugh..........
10:30 "Palmer ran off and broke everything on his car", reports Vandoorne. Succinct.
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Post by racechick on Jul 28, 2017 13:37:29 GMT
And Palmer crashes again .
14:12 "Is the car OK Jo?"
"No."
To the point...
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Post by Wß on Jul 28, 2017 13:45:07 GMT
The Palmer situation is dire... Hamilton sets his fastest lap on the Soft tire, unable to get a decent run with traffic in his previous attempt with the Super Softs
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Post by London on Jul 28, 2017 19:01:39 GMT
Hopefully Palmer will do better tomorrow but that sounds already like a sweet dream ^^
Lol Giovinazzi literally ruined KMG’s sessions and he still finished ahead of his teammate. Think about all the feedbacks he could do to improve the balance of the car and Grosjean could have benefited from it smh. The FIA needs to change something in this area because as a team point of view for Haas, this is lowkey a disaster and he still has 4 friday pratices to do. So please Gio step up your game and stop wanting to impress so much because Leclerc is ready for a seat.
Oh and as french, everytimes Grosjean puts his ass out of the track at all FP1's session, It is an embarrassment and he’s moaning so much...
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Post by RyRy on Jul 29, 2017 0:35:21 GMT
The Mercedes appears to be much much better on the soft tyre than the supersofts, the fact that Hamilton was only 0.3 away from Ric who set his lap much later in the session whilst being on the super softs... makes it look strong for Hamilton. Palmer hasn't exactly had any good luck this year, he's been on the back foot all year with issue after issue with his car and then he has sessions like these where it really wasn't his fault on either occasion, the car just lost it's rear. There was a crash in F2 exactly the same as Palmer & also 4-5 cars losing it but managing to keep it out the wall. Even in F1 we saw 4-5 cars per session have near-crash incidents in that corner. One of Hamilton's laps nearly had an incident where he had to catch the rear in the very same corner. Checkout this video of Di Resta giving a trackside report and sounding incredibly drunk, streamable.com/6of1b this is all caused by him hearing his own voice with a slight delay. It makes most people sound drunk and for some people they can't actually speak after they get 2-3 words out. Download the App "Speech Jammer" on your phone and then put headphones in and try and read what it shows you on screen. You'll sound exactly like this.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 29, 2017 6:28:37 GMT
They should kick Jolyon Whiner out this weekend and put Stoeffel in....I think he has a lot more to show in a better car.
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Post by dogued on Jul 29, 2017 7:25:05 GMT
Massa unwell... di resta could be in the Williams....
*update* Paul has been seen in the Williams pit this morning checking fittings etc incase Massa fails medical.
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Post by racechick on Jul 29, 2017 8:32:59 GMT
Massa did a lot of spinning yesterday. Perhaps he's feeling a little dizzy. (Sorry ) I really wanted Palmer to do well in F1, he never set the world alight in F2, he just did ok. I guess his connections helped get the drive. Still I hoped he'd come good. But I think time has run out. Sure he's had a lot of misfortunes. But when all has been ok, he's been way off Hulk ( who has not been a favourite of mine, he doesn't excite me but is looking very good with Palmer as a team mate) . There were a lot of drivers getting backs sliding out at the point where he crashed, but most caught it. I think it was just he and Wherlein who crashed. But he crashed in both sessions! Ocon's new, and he's pushing Perez all the way. One wonders what he would be doing were he in the Renault. London Grosjean has become a bit moany, maybe out of frustration. I still like Grosjean. He stated off in F1 a bit leery, then he calmed down and showed massive potential. And he hasn't really had the chance to take it forward. Perhaps he sees his opportunities slipping away?
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Post by dogued on Jul 29, 2017 9:27:34 GMT
1:17.790 from Seb on SUPER SOFT in FP3.. new lap record
For reference, Hamilton 1:18.739 on SOFT
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Post by RyRy on Jul 29, 2017 9:41:48 GMT
A 1:17.017 now for Vettel, that sort of lap time looks untouchable for Mercedes... It looks like Mercedes have gone the wrong way overnight again, they looked strong yesterday.
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Post by dogued on Jul 29, 2017 9:51:35 GMT
A 1:17.017 now for Vettel, that sort of lap time looks untouchable for Mercedes... It looks like Mercedes have gone the wrong way overnight again, they looked strong yesterday. They look VERY strong on the SOFT tyre, could see them doing Q2 on softs. But that will leave them 2nd row on a track where overtaking is crap... so best case would be a good start for P2, hold the gap to 2s for the opening stint, then drive the hell out of the tyres for 8 laps to avoid undercut.
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Post by dogued on Jul 29, 2017 10:01:19 GMT
...And Massa is almost certainly out of the car for the weekend. Paul Di Resta to drive for Williams
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Post by RyRy on Jul 29, 2017 12:22:59 GMT
That was a smashing effort by Di Resta, only 0.7 slower than Stroll in 11 laps (half of them were cooldown laps)
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Post by racechick on Jul 29, 2017 12:24:03 GMT
Mercs set up for the race?
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Post by RyRy on Jul 29, 2017 12:37:16 GMT
Mercs set up for the race? I don't think so, they just don't look that stable compared to the Red Bull & Ferrari, although Hamilton's Q2 lap could very well have been faster than Vettel.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 29, 2017 12:46:09 GMT
Hamilton showing everyone that this is HIS track, that was a really good lap especially sector 2 even though the car isn't that stable.
Great job by Hulkenberg, that Renault is surprisingly good for a throw away learning year as Renault themselves admitted.
Great job by McLaren, they have an impressive chassis just that damn engine letting them down. If they fix that engine McLaren will be fighting for wins.
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