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Post by London on Sept 27, 2017 21:47:43 GMT
That would be epic
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Post by dogued on Sept 27, 2017 23:02:44 GMT
I don’t get this reliability argument because even when the car is reliable, he is well off the pace. Too many sessions have passed with Hulkenberg getting a P5-P10 and Palmer only scraping a P15-P20. If you lose a huge chunk of time in the FP sessions, you will be way off the pace through lack of setup. Sure, you can copy the data from the other car, but it's not set for your style. I'm not suggesting Plamer is some hidden F1 God, but I think if he'd joined say.... Manor, which had an amazing record for reliability, if would have afford him more chance to "develop" without feeling the need to push too hard and make mistakes.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 28, 2017 4:35:51 GMT
I don’t get this reliability argument because even when the car is reliable, he is well off the pace. Too many sessions have passed with Hulkenberg getting a P5-P10 and Palmer only scraping a P15-P20. If you lose a huge chunk of time in the FP sessions, you will be way off the pace through lack of setup. Sure, you can copy the data from the other car, but it's not set for your style. I'm not suggesting Plamer is some hidden F1 God, but I think if he'd joined say.... Manor, which had an amazing record for reliability, if would have afford him more chance to "develop" without feeling the need to push too hard and make mistakes. Man if I ever manage to join an F1 team I wish you would be the boss. Lol Seriously the 'chance to develop' thing doesn't fly...the Renault was crappy albeit it gave him enough track time to pick himself up, more than enough time...this is his 2nd season already and he has just sucked the entire way through. What he achieved in Singapore was because of 4 front runners dropping out like flies, his teammate had a mech issue while ahead of him. He's not done anything memorable....in fact the only thing I can think of is him binning it in Hungary while chasing easy points last year. Not to mention his incessant whining last season, for a rookie he really had a mouth on him. IMO he's fortunate to enjoy 2017 in an F1 car.
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Post by RyRy on Sept 28, 2017 6:01:35 GMT
If you lose a huge chunk of time in the FP sessions, you will be way off the pace through lack of setup. Sure, you can copy the data from the other car, but it's not set for your style. I'm not suggesting Plamer is some hidden F1 God, but I think if he'd joined say.... Manor, which had an amazing record for reliability, if would have afford him more chance to "develop" without feeling the need to push too hard and make mistakes. Man if I ever manage to join an F1 team I wish you would be the boss. Lol Seriously the 'chance to develop' thing doesn't fly...the Renault was crappy albeit it gave him enough track time to pick himself up, more than enough time...this is his 2nd season already and he has just sucked the entire way through. What he achieved in Singapore was because of 4 front runners dropping out like flies, his teammate had a mech issue while ahead of him. He's not done anything memorable....in fact the only thing I can think of is him binning it in Hungary while chasing easy points last year. Not to mention his incessant whining last season, for a rookie he really had a mouth on him. IMO he's fortunate to enjoy 2017 in an F1 car. Palmer has had countless reliability issues; that not only effects him in terms of less practice but it also makes you less confident in your car and thus will affect him mentally. A confident driver is a fast driver. Just look at Hamilton, Ricciardo, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Kubica, Schumacher they were all confident as and when they joined F1 and instantly were able to perform because their cars performed decently and thus were able to show their skill. Palmer has also been plagued with another issue of his car having no telemetry which really harms him as the team have no data on him and can't provide updates, can't help with strategy, can't see if anything is overheating... Palmer hasn't had anywhere near as many development upgrades, the team has for some reason only been able to produce one copy of a track-specific part and it has always gone to Hulkenberg, Palmer hasn't had any development parts that Hulkenberg doesn't have at any point in this season so far and has only had the same equipment on 3 occasions. Palmer did a good job at Singapore, he had no telemetry for 90% of the race and finished roughly where he should have finished. The battle between Toro Rosso, Renault, Force India and McLaren is pretty tight especially in the race where Renault & McLaren consistently lose pace and Force India & Toro Rosso gain pace. Renault kept Palmer out for one extra lap at the 2nd set of pits which lost Palmer a fair amount of time.
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Post by dogued on Sept 28, 2017 6:57:49 GMT
If you lose a huge chunk of time in the FP sessions, you will be way off the pace through lack of setup. Sure, you can copy the data from the other car, but it's not set for your style. I'm not suggesting Plamer is some hidden F1 God, but I think if he'd joined say.... Manor, which had an amazing record for reliability, if would have afford him more chance to "develop" without feeling the need to push too hard and make mistakes. Man if I ever manage to join an F1 team I wish you would be the boss. Lol Seriously the 'chance to develop' thing doesn't fly...the Renault was crappy albeit it gave him enough track time to pick himself up, more than enough time...this is his 2nd season already and he has just sucked the entire way through. What he achieved in Singapore was because of 4 front runners dropping out like flies, his teammate had a mech issue while ahead of him. He's not done anything memorable....in fact the only thing I can think of is him binning it in Hungary while chasing easy points last year. Not to mention his incessant whining last season, for a rookie he really had a mouth on him. IMO he's fortunate to enjoy 2017 in an F1 car. You would indeed love driving for me... but the deal is "you break it, you pay for it" when it comes to driver errors The "chance to develop" thing isn't something to be scoffed at. If you look back at the history books you will see many many good or great drivers in the modern era started out in a Sauber or Minardi where the cars were reliable (for the time) and the pressure wasn't too great to instantly perform. Even today, the pressure at Sauber is far less than at Renault. Christ, we're (and I mean the genereal F1 public here) talking about how good Giovinazzi could be there next year, and he bottled it 2 races in a row! No pressure at all there! And the lack of track time to set up the car IS important (even to top end drivers), as is total on track time to learn what's what. I mentioned it in another thread that both McLaren's have done more laps than Palmer through FP / Q / Race than Palmer this year, that's huge when you think of all the McLaren issues. During his brief F1 career, he's either not started or not finished just on 1/3 of his 35 races (and very very few of them have been caused by him.) All that has to start taking a toll on his belief in the car (and to some extent, himself) which just adds the the pressure. Obviously he isn't one who excels under pressure. End of the day, as I said, he was never set to be a top 10 driver. In his rookie year vs K-Mag, in the 12 races where both finished, the head-to-head tally was 6-6. That's not stellar, but it's not being embarrassed and certainly isn't as bad as some who have had much longer and unrewarding times in an F1 seat.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 28, 2017 9:52:14 GMT
End of the day, as I said, he was never set to be a top 10 driver. In his rookie year vs K-Mag, in the 12 races where both finished, the head-to-head tally was 6-6. That's not stellar, but it's not being embarrassed and certainly isn't as bad as some who have had much longer and unrewarding times in an F1 seat.
Well, we agree here and that's the bottom line. All the teams vying to win races (Renault certainly one of them) are not looking for a cruiser, they certainly want a Top 5 driver at least and they found out Palmer sure as hell isn't one. Magnussen isn't one either, though I was rooting for him in his first couple of years in F1. Pay drivers these days need to show their stuff within the first 4-5 races, or else risk being stuck in midfield all their life. Palmer hasn't shown anything after 25 races, reliability failures or not. He might've showed up on the radar in Singapore but it's pretty late.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 28, 2017 9:54:27 GMT
Man if I ever manage to join an F1 team I wish you would be the boss. Lol Seriously the 'chance to develop' thing doesn't fly...the Renault was crappy albeit it gave him enough track time to pick himself up, more than enough time...this is his 2nd season already and he has just sucked the entire way through. What he achieved in Singapore was because of 4 front runners dropping out like flies, his teammate had a mech issue while ahead of him. He's not done anything memorable....in fact the only thing I can think of is him binning it in Hungary while chasing easy points last year. Not to mention his incessant whining last season, for a rookie he really had a mouth on him. IMO he's fortunate to enjoy 2017 in an F1 car. Palmer has had countless reliability issues; that not only effects him in terms of less practice but it also makes you less confident in your car and thus will affect him mentally. A confident driver is a fast driver. Just look at Hamilton, Ricciardo, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, Kubica, Schumacher they were all confident as and when they joined F1 and instantly were able to perform because their cars performed decently and thus were able to show their skill. Palmer has also been plagued with another issue of his car having no telemetry which really harms him as the team have no data on him and can't provide updates, can't help with strategy, can't see if anything is overheating... Palmer hasn't had anywhere near as many development upgrades, the team has for some reason only been able to produce one copy of a track-specific part and it has always gone to Hulkenberg, Palmer hasn't had any development parts that Hulkenberg doesn't have at any point in this season so far and has only had the same equipment on 3 occasions. Palmer did a good job at Singapore, he had no telemetry for 90% of the race and finished roughly where he should have finished. The battle between Toro Rosso, Renault, Force India and McLaren is pretty tight especially in the race where Renault & McLaren consistently lose pace and Force India & Toro Rosso gain pace. Renault kept Palmer out for one extra lap at the 2nd set of pits which lost Palmer a fair amount of time. You sound like a Palmer fan here....lots of justifying and excuses for him. Bottom line, Facepalmer had his chances, he wasn't fast enough and I think very few in the paddock will miss him when he leaves.
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Post by dogued on Sept 29, 2017 1:49:23 GMT
Great group of drivers! So much emotion! lol
I was disappointed that when asked who they think is the best driver out there, Kimi didn't say "Bwoah... well me of course, why even ask?"
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Post by dogued on Sept 29, 2017 2:27:08 GMT
and for a lighter viewing... these 2 are great
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Post by dogued on Sept 29, 2017 2:58:46 GMT
FP1 delayed until further notice due to rain Now I'm actually going to have to do some work!!!! On another note, I actually got to hear Crofty say "I'm not expert, but..." live on TV for the first time instead of over and over on F1 2017 game
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Post by Wß on Sept 29, 2017 3:01:19 GMT
just sat down to watch... and going right back to bed. See you guys tomorrow.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 29, 2017 4:55:51 GMT
You're a passionate lot, actually tuning in for FP1 and all. I can't even get qualifying down consistently these days.
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Post by RyRy on Sept 29, 2017 8:25:20 GMT
You're a passionate lot, actually tuning in for FP1 and all. I can't even get qualifying down consistently these days. Old man syndrome I stayed up for FP1 as I thought it was 3am not 4am, only for it to be pissing it down so I expected it to be rained off but they went out to my surprise. I went back to sleep, got up 2 hours later for FP3 and now am going to bed again!
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Post by Hammer on Sept 29, 2017 9:59:35 GMT
Actually it's pretty much because something is always happening on Saturday evenings and I'm out of the house. But I should catch the Msian one since it's around 2pm here.
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Post by Wß on Sept 29, 2017 12:46:32 GMT
Mercedes better step it up, the car just looked abysmally twitchy with serious oversteer. Apparently they've got quite a few new bits up front to improve downforce but they've certainly not got the balance right. They're clearly turned down on the power front since a Haas out dragged them on the straights, but still.
That grate coming off was dammed scary, seeing two cars drove over it but Grossjean pulled the short straw.
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Post by Wß on Sept 29, 2017 12:55:30 GMT
And it did look pretty bad. Toto thankfully stating the obvious for us.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 30, 2017 9:23:35 GMT
Looks like Raikkonens front nose did more damage to his masters car in Singapore than Ferrari knew about.
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Post by Liam Catterson on Sept 30, 2017 9:24:40 GMT
Bye Bye World Championship. Lewis Hamilton - 2017 Champion confirmed
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Post by Hammer on Sept 30, 2017 9:42:29 GMT
Despite having the 'magic' barge board updates, Fonzi gets his ass kicked by his newbie teammate.
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Post by RyRy on Sept 30, 2017 10:07:52 GMT
Hamilton is a fucking beast... where the fuck did those laps come from!
Bottas is so far off from Hamilton, I would have gambled on Wherlein for 2018.
Great laps by Raikkonen, he has been on it this weekend! Good job.
Unfortunate for Vettel, I can't see how he can win the championship anymore.
Good job by Gasly!
Alonso really seemed off it this weekend.
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