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Post by Wß on Oct 29, 2017 21:59:09 GMT
Dirty player of the year Vettel. He turned in on Lewis again. He also gained an advantage late in the race by leaving the track....thought that was Have some sympathy racechick
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Post by Hammer on Oct 30, 2017 1:48:44 GMT
So I missed the race. Only remembered in the morning I had gotten up to my gf telling me to shut the damn alarm and I promptly did so and went back to sleep, completely oblivious as to why it was ringing in the first place.
Seeing replays of the first lap, I'm glad I didn't wake up. Yet another Crashtel screw up which denied Lewis another chance of victory. Goddamn FIArarri d!cks, this guy never gets a penalty.
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Post by Frontrunner on Oct 30, 2017 4:29:38 GMT
Why did HAM finished 9th?? did Vettel try to crash him out or something?? Surely not...
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Post by Hammer on Oct 30, 2017 4:36:51 GMT
Look at this imbecile. Okay, I'm convinced now he wasn't being dirty, just being STUPID yet again. First he busts his front wing at 0:47 due to his lack of spatial awareness.
Next he gets on the kerbs and then stamps the throttle driving his front wing again into Lewis (who reacts to Verstappen taking his usual line in front of him) and destroys his race. This clown drives like a rookie, especially when the pressure is on it's easy to see his usual calm demeanor off track is all just a great act he puts on when he doesn't have a helmet on. With a helmet, in a racing situation, this clown is a perennial puss who can't keep his overalls intact when the going gets tough.
And he earns many free passes along the way thanks to the team he's driving for and the fact that the stewards need the show to go on. And despite having these advantages, the show has ended 2 races early.
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Post by Frontrunner on Oct 30, 2017 4:52:58 GMT
Nice Video Hammer, Vettel knew he was screwed with losing that piece of front wing on VER then thought what the hey, lets try to mess up HAM's race. I Look forward to watching the highlights tonight.
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Post by natny on Oct 30, 2017 4:53:53 GMT
Look at this imbecile. Okay, I'm convinced now he wasn't being dirty, just being STUPID yet again. First he busts his front wing at 0:47 due to his lack of spatial awareness. Next he gets on the kerbs and then stamps the throttle driving his front wing again into Lewis (who reacts to Verstappen taking his usual line in front of him) and destroys his race. This clown drives like a rookie, especially when the pressure is on it's easy to see his usual calm demeanor off track is all just a great act he puts on when he doesn't have a helmet on. With a helmet, in a racing situation, this clown is a perennial puss who can't keep his overalls intact when the going gets tough. And he earns many free passes along the way thanks to the team he's driving for and the fact that the stewards need the show to go on. And despite having these advantages, the show has ended 2 races early. I actually agree with you hammer. he desperately wants to be the loveable class clown but has the temperament of a 1 yr old who didn't get his milk. Also, he went off the track to gain position when overtaking massa. much more blatant than verstapen last week and it wasn't even investigated.
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Post by dogued on Oct 30, 2017 5:37:50 GMT
I missed the start due to a sleep in, got up at lap 45 and thought "huh?"
Saw the replay and have to say it didn't look deliberate, but was a driver error. Commentary was saying "Lewis should have held back longer" but given the size of that opening, no F1 race driver would have let that pass go without an attempt, and it was a clean move. I think if Vettel hadn't clipped Max first, the wing wouldn't have caused a puncture.
But at the end of the day, it's #4 for Hamilton and he can relax and enjoy racing the last 2 of the year. I like the comments from Force India after the race which was basically "sure, we've locked down 4th so they are free to race, but car parts aren't cheap so nothing stupid!"
Alonso "Can you check if he was off the track?" Mate, you lost the spot to a bette car, not everything done against you is a penalty!
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Post by racechick on Oct 30, 2017 9:06:19 GMT
Did you guys miss what I said yesterday...
I spoke on a video phone call to Alonso’s race engineer.
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Post by ichabod on Oct 30, 2017 10:31:19 GMT
Did you tell him to let Lewis past easy ?
Because he didn’t get that memo
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Post by racechick on Oct 30, 2017 11:28:22 GMT
I kindov wasn’t expecting Lewis to be behind him in the race since Alonso was starting at the back, so I missed my chance with that one. And I wasn’t expecting to speak to him, the phone was just suddenly thrust towards me and there he was. So I rather suspect I gabbled rubbish. Also a party was going in so I couldn’t hear him that well. I dont think I made a positive lasting impression.
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Post by Wß on Oct 30, 2017 13:08:18 GMT
It's as if you know someone that's dating him or something like that.
Yeah, on the did he or didn't he, it's not worth it. In the end it gave us an interesting race and a fourth world title for Hamilton. Vettel and pressure makes for a comical outcome always. So not going to bother with it, we saw in Vettel a desperation this year that hints of him perhaps seeing first hand what Alonso saw after he decided to move on.
In 2018, we'll see a much broader field competing, the Red Bull will be Mercedes' biggest rivals and we'll also see the sparks begin to fly at Red Bull between their driver pairing. Because nothing heats up tension between teammates than the knowledge they've got a championship caliber car.
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Post by Wß on Oct 30, 2017 13:14:08 GMT
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Post by Wß on Oct 30, 2017 18:04:42 GMT
I don' think there was anything intentional from Vettel hitting Hamilton, just another of his boneheaded lap one shenanigans which he so often does. Probably cost him more than it did Hamilton in the end.
We got to see a nice drive from the back up through the field. Hamilton was hamstrung with broken floor and diffuser from what I've read, making it more difficult still to move up through the field, and still made up a forty second gap he had just on lap one.
This guy does a nice concise analysis of the event.
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Post by Wß on Oct 30, 2017 20:00:08 GMT
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Post by London on Oct 30, 2017 22:01:03 GMT
Wß Vettel did so many dirty moves during his career that you cant even give him the benefit of the doubt to be fucking honest hahaa. Why Vettel didnt lift off the throttle as he exits a bit to first of all correct understeer and minimise time lost and secondly secure the third place at the expense of Bottas ? Why he's still on the throttle ? Based on pure pace he could have easily challenged Hamilton for the second place. Why he cant adapt to the situation to minimize the consequence ? I know his front wing was damaged and he probably lacked few points of downforce but still that man is suspect. Psycho drama ; he lacks concentration so much to the point that his subconscious takes control of his head. That man is nearly possessed when he drive on Sunday (you get the picture).
One of your quotes (back to the Singapore drama) :
And the D61 man is suspect also for not telling the real truth imo. He does not want to be seen as a hater probably.
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Post by London on Oct 30, 2017 22:47:58 GMT
Look at this imbecile. Okay, I'm convinced now he wasn't being dirty, just being STUPID yet again. First he busts his front wing at 0:47 due to his lack of spatial awareness. Next he gets on the kerbs and then stamps the throttle driving his front wing again into Lewis (who reacts to Verstappen taking his usual line in front of him) and destroys his race. This clown drives like a rookie, especially when the pressure is on it's easy to see his usual calm demeanor off track is all just a great act he puts on when he doesn't have a helmet on. With a helmet, in a racing situation, this clown is a perennial puss who can't keep his overalls intact when the going gets tough. And he earns many free passes along the way thanks to the team he's driving for and the fact that the stewards need the show to go on. And despite having these advantages, the show has ended 2 races early. I agree with all. Stupidity can be the expression of your dirtyness sometimes.
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Post by natny on Oct 31, 2017 0:07:56 GMT
finishing 10th or 9th or whatever it was to claim the title. playing it ultra safe and boting. true champion style? the personality and charisma of a true champion? spitting his dummy constantly on the radio when things dont go perfectly. is that a true champions legacy?
no matter how many championships he wins I just feel because of his lack of va va voom and personality, he will never be a memorable champion. most memorable ever has to be senna. he only won 3 championships. he's not most memorable for his death but because he was an edgy driver with personality.
ricciardo would make a memorable champion. next year is his year and then he's more relevant than Hamilton already.
before long his "hammer time" cries down the radio will be met with "sorry mate I have no idea what you're talking about but can you please drive faster".
in my opinion he will go down in history as one of the (not so) greats.
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Post by racechick on Oct 31, 2017 1:09:51 GMT
Ged away with ya! Talking shit boy!
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Post by Wß on Oct 31, 2017 2:20:30 GMT
Wß Vettel did so many dirty moves during his career that you cant even give him the benefit of the doubt to be fucking honest hahaa. Why Vettel didnt lift off the throttle as he exits a bit to first of all correct understeer and minimise time lost and secondly secure the third place at the expense of Bottas ? Why he's still on the throttle ? Based on pure pace he could have easily challenge Hamilton for the second place. Why he cant adapt to the situation to minimize the consequence ? I know his front wing was damaged and he probably lacked few points of downforce but still that man is suspect. Psycho drama ; he lacks concentration so much to the point that his subconscious takes control of his head. That man is nearly possessed when he drove on Sunday (you get the picture).
One of your quotes (back to the Singapore drama) :
And the D61 man is suspect also for not telling the real truth imo. He does not want to be seen as a hater probably.
Hahaha,you may be right, it's just that at this point, after a fourth championship where despite the diva car and despite competing against the FiA and both Ferrari drivers, he still finished it two races early. Mercedes has come through for him this year though, the reliability of the car and they fixed the niggling start issues. I just didn't want to bother. Next year's competition will be against Verstappen and Ricciardo, that I'm sure of.
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Post by Wß on Oct 31, 2017 3:23:14 GMT
What if we've been looking at this all wrong. What if it's not an issue with "red mist" as it's come to be referred, but more a lack of maturity a lack of comprehending what needs to be done while under the constant pressure. We've seen time and time again that Vettel has a propensity to lose it, disproportionately so when things don't go his way. There is certainly a spacial awareness issue but they seem to develop under duress, so hear me out with this hypotheses.
Vettel has never competed in an F1 championship that he has lost. He's always won them when he had the car to do so. This year is the first time he's actually lost a championship that could have just as easily gone his way. Lewis on the other had has experience in spades when it comes to losing championship that could have just as easily gone his way.
It may be as simple as that.
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