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Post by Hammer on Oct 31, 2017 5:45:22 GMT
finishing 10th or 9th or whatever it was to claim the title. playing it ultra safe and boting. true champion style? the personality and charisma of a true champion? spitting his dummy constantly on the radio when things dont go perfectly. is that a true champions legacy? no matter how many championships he wins I just feel because of his lack of va va voom and personality, he will never be a memorable champion. most memorable ever has to be senna. he only won 3 championships. he's not most memorable for his death but because he was an edgy driver with personality. ricciardo would make a memorable champion. next year is his year and then he's more relevant than Hamilton already.before long his "hammer time" cries down the radio will be met with "sorry mate I have no idea what you're talking about but can you please drive faster". in my opinion he will go down in history as one of the (not so) greats. I realize you're quite a troll on here, but is this part in bold meant to be logical in anyway? Normally trolling posts are funnier when there's some sort of logic backing it up otherwise it just looks stupid. How is Ricciardo any sort of bet for next year when he's already getting his ass kicked by the kid in the other seat? I'd put money on Verstappen beating him any day, he's got the skill and tenacity and most importantly, he's definitely got the team support now heading into next year.
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Post by London on Oct 31, 2017 13:47:30 GMT
Kimi is a joke.
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Post by Hammer on Oct 31, 2017 15:43:13 GMT
He doesn't come across as a resourceful guy you could have a proper conversation with that's for sure. Even if it were in Finnish. He's got an eccentric sense of humour which is pretty funny at times for quips here and there, but I bet as a person if you try and get to know him further you'll get bored out of your ass after half an hour.
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Post by racechick on Oct 31, 2017 23:21:39 GMT
Apparently I’ve heard he’s very different in real life. He’s a real party animal. This interview style is what he puts forward to the world.
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Post by natny on Nov 1, 2017 0:31:40 GMT
finishing 10th or 9th or whatever it was to claim the title. playing it ultra safe and boting. true champion style? the personality and charisma of a true champion? spitting his dummy constantly on the radio when things dont go perfectly. is that a true champions legacy? no matter how many championships he wins I just feel because of his lack of va va voom and personality, he will never be a memorable champion. most memorable ever has to be senna. he only won 3 championships. he's not most memorable for his death but because he was an edgy driver with personality. ricciardo would make a memorable champion. next year is his year and then he's more relevant than Hamilton already.before long his "hammer time" cries down the radio will be met with "sorry mate I have no idea what you're talking about but can you please drive faster". in my opinion he will go down in history as one of the (not so) greats. I realize you're quite a troll on here, but is this part in bold meant to be logical in anyway? Normally trolling posts are funnier when there's some sort of logic backing it up otherwise it just looks stupid. How is Ricciardo any sort of bet for next year when he's already getting his ass kicked by the kid in the other seat? I'd put money on Verstappen beating him any day, he's got the skill and tenacity and most importantly, he's definitely got the team support now heading into next year. forums just get a bit boring when everyone is around the campfire singing the same time. what's the point. also the ricciardo comment certainly has substance. 1. easily the most charismatic driver. 2. he smashed verstapen this year and you can't put that down to verstapen failures. ricciardo has had 6 engine changes. loads of penalties. especially recently. he races better than him, finishing ahead of verstapen on most occasions failure or not. 3. way more level headed and experienced. sorry my post wasn't funny enough for you. I have had many a sleepless night worrying about how 'hammer' will react to them. I will try harder next time.
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Post by natny on Nov 1, 2017 0:34:33 GMT
Kimi is a joke.I like it. just dead honest. someone has to win. why we he REALLY care when they do. my favourite is when asked where he was when he found out he won the championship "I was taking a shit"
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Post by Hammer on Nov 1, 2017 2:40:20 GMT
I realize you're quite a troll on here, but is this part in bold meant to be logical in anyway? Normally trolling posts are funnier when there's some sort of logic backing it up otherwise it just looks stupid. How is Ricciardo any sort of bet for next year when he's already getting his ass kicked by the kid in the other seat? I'd put money on Verstappen beating him any day, he's got the skill and tenacity and most importantly, he's definitely got the team support now heading into next year. forums just get a bit boring when everyone is around the campfire singing the same time. what's the point. also the ricciardo comment certainly has substance. 1. easily the most charismatic driver. 2. he smashed verstapen this year and you can't put that down to verstapen failures. ricciardo has had 6 engine changes. loads of penalties. especially recently. he races better than him, finishing ahead of verstapen on most occasions failure or not. 3. way more level headed and experienced. sorry my post wasn't funny enough for you. I have had many a sleepless night worrying about how 'hammer' will react to them. I will try harder next time. 1) I fail to see how this contributes to on track performance. Enlighten me why isn't Montoya a 10x WDC then? 2) Oh yes I CAN put that down to Verstappen failures, he has had more than his fair share. And not to mention he got screwed twice by the mistakes of other drivers (hint: a ferrari dumbass) as well. Yet he's still not too far behind, and not mention he's already outqualified Ricciardo for 2017. In two car finishes, what's the head to head between them? That's the most telling statistic for next year. 3) Conjecture. Level headedness comes with experience and Verstappen has already proven he's got the consistency when his car stays in 1 piece. How about a bet for next season, you and me. I say Verstappen will beat Ricciardo on points (no matter what the reliability for either is like) since our debate is founded on 2018. Want to take that bet?
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Post by Hammer on Nov 1, 2017 2:43:06 GMT
I like it. just dead honest. someone has to win. why we he REALLY care when they do. my favourite is when asked where he was when he found out he won the championship "I was taking a shit"No, this statement was made when asked why wasn't he at that little event where all drivers were celebrating something Schumacher had achieved....I can't recall what, maybe his retirement or smth the 1st time around. Kimi is a bit of a thicko so it's hard to call him 'rude' or an 'asshole', thickos have to be given a free pass on things like this.
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Post by racechick on Nov 1, 2017 8:58:00 GMT
It was when Schumacher was crowned for one of his championships. ( not having won the race) . That was his answer when asked why he wasn’t at the crowning. What I ( me, Racechick) like about Kimi is he’s not a player/ manipulator and he doesn’t drive dirty. You might find this interesting/ funny, it’s quotes said about Kimi from about 2007 to about 2010, I came across it when I was looking for something I’d seen before about what he’s actually like in his personal life, I haven’t found that yet. Though actually, some people giving those quotes, the ones who know him personally away from F1, do allude to it. kimiraikkonenspace.com/quotes-on-kimi-raikkonen/
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Post by Frontrunner on Nov 1, 2017 9:58:05 GMT
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Post by natny on Nov 1, 2017 12:46:07 GMT
forums just get a bit boring when everyone is around the campfire singing the same time. what's the point. also the ricciardo comment certainly has substance. 1. easily the most charismatic driver. 2. he smashed verstapen this year and you can't put that down to verstapen failures. ricciardo has had 6 engine changes. loads of penalties. especially recently. he races better than him, finishing ahead of verstapen on most occasions failure or not. 3. way more level headed and experienced. sorry my post wasn't funny enough for you. I have had many a sleepless night worrying about how 'hammer' will react to them. I will try harder next time. 1) I fail to see how this contributes to on track performance. Enlighten me why isn't Montoya a 10x WDC then? 2) Oh yes I CAN put that down to Verstappen failures, he has had more than his fair share. And not to mention he got screwed twice by the mistakes of other drivers (hint: a ferrari dumbass) as well. Yet he's still not too far behind, and not mention he's already outqualified Ricciardo for 2017. In two car finishes, what's the head to head between them? That's the most telling statistic for next year. 3) Conjecture. Level headedness comes with experience and Verstappen has already proven he's got the consistency when his car stays in 1 piece. How about a bet for next season, you and me. I say Verstappen will beat Ricciardo on points (no matter what the reliability for either is like) since our debate is founded on 2018. Want to take that bet? first of all, great post. it was hillarious. I'll take note. 1. I didn't say it contributes. I said it would make him a great and more memorable champion when he gets the job done. 2. sure, verstapen never crashes on turn one. max does not have the balance between aggression and timing his moves wisely. ricciardo races far better. 3. no he hasn't. he always maverick into other cars. last couple of races he dis ok but got lucky avoiding a puncture from vettel. sure, vettel s fault but a good driver can be excused. a great driver will avoid liabilities like vettel. sure. winner can choose the losers forum name for 2019. deal?
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Post by natny on Nov 1, 2017 12:47:17 GMT
I like it. just dead honest. someone has to win. why we he REALLY care when they do. my favourite is when asked where he was when he found out he won the championship "I was taking a shit"No, this statement was made when asked why wasn't he at that little event where all drivers were celebrating something Schumacher had achieved....I can't recall what, maybe his retirement or smth the 1st time around. Kimi is a bit of a thicko so it's hard to call him 'rude' or an 'asshole', thickos have to be given a free pass on things like this. whatever. he said it. it was funny
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Post by dogued on Nov 1, 2017 14:10:42 GMT
First off... Kimi was taking a dump and missed Pele
Second point.... that interview with KR and MV, I think it's really good to see honesty. If I was an F1 driver and was asked what I thought I'd say "Good for him" but inside I'd be saying "Don't care, wasn't me!" No driver other than Lewis Hamilton is really happy or excited that he just won a 4th WDC. It's like saying "I'm super excited and happy for my mate who just banged 3 cheerleaders and won the lottery!"
And on the Max/Daniel thing.... Max is fast, but fast doesn't always win titles. Consistency and Luck are what's needed, and that's something Max has yet to learn how to manufacture. Speed? Qualifying it's 11-7 Max's way (before penalties applied)and in races it's 4-2 Max's way in races where both drivers have finished. But then comes the consistency and luck factors. Daniel has had 9 Podiums from the 13 races he completed compared to 4 Podiums from the 11 races completed by Max. Daniel is fast enough and consistent enough to be in the right place when everything goes wrong for someone else and he "get's lucky." If I was to compare these 2 drivers to those from past times (and excuse this, I'm not comparing achievements and results), I would liken Max to Senna and Daniel to Prost. One was a sublimely fast qualifier but inconsistent in race results, the other was slower but over the course of time was more consistent. Personally, I would prefer Daniel on my team*. (*If I had to pick right now. This may change when Max has had another season to develop)
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Post by London on Nov 1, 2017 22:19:43 GMT
natny If I keep the idea of your comment I can write the same kind of stuff about a lot of world champions who won titles. As 2 exceptions in comparison with your comment, it will be more close to the truth and more relevant to the question : ‘Is that a true champions legacy ?’ I am not from his era but I saw videos on Senna and one thing that I can say is that he was constantly overreacting even when he was wrong. Senna was not a fair driver also. He would go to any length to win like Schumacher and Vettel. But at the end of the day who cares ? One would say that It would be very boring if every champions were the same and It would certainly not stimulate a debate as you said. And to be honest Hamilton had damages on his car and not by his fault (you should remember that) so I don't know why people want to judge Ham's overall performance on one race.
I use to like Kimi but now this guy he's a fraud who have won one title because of the FIA and Dennis and he couldn't even perform in a winning car this year and still he find a way to be sad when he has done nothing to be competitive. Actually over the past year he did nothing to improve as a driver. If Vettel had won he would be very happy without being sad inside him, how hypocritical this guy is. Hopefully next year he will be on Vettel's level in every races, just to see how Vettel and Ferrari will react toward him.
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Post by racechick on Nov 1, 2017 23:28:03 GMT
Well, if I was a team manager at this moment in time, and could have my choice of drivers I’d be doing everything I could to get the services of one Lewis Hamilton. If I was successful, I’d chose Ricciardo to race alongside him. If I was unsuccessful I’d be going all out to get Max Verstappen. Maybe that explains how I feel about these two Red Bull drivers. A great pairing , best pairing on the grid.
Charisma is great to have in a driver, great for the supporters, entertaining. Names come to mind, Senna, Hunt, Montoya, Gile Villeneuve, Ricciardo. But f I had to chose between charisma or fastest, I’d chose fastest.
On Hamilton, i dont think he does lack charisma, he’s different to Ricciardo, he’s actually quite shy. But he has a greater following of fans than any other driver.
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Post by Hammer on Nov 2, 2017 0:19:57 GMT
If I were a team boss with money to splash, it'd be Hamilton and Alonso again (for the PR, fireworks, camera time but actually the fight would be quite straightforward since 1 guy never learned how to qualify)
If I were to go for the best pairing today for both performance and cost effectiveness, it would be Lewis Hamilton and Esteban Ocon.
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Post by Hammer on Nov 2, 2017 0:21:20 GMT
sure. winner can choose the losers forum name for 2019. deal? Sure, time stamped for both of us.
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Post by natny on Nov 2, 2017 0:23:14 GMT
Well, if I was a team manager at this moment in time, and could have my choice of drivers I’d be doing everything I could to get the services of one Lewis Hamilton. If I was successful, I’d chose Ricciardo to race alongside him. If I was unsuccessful I’d be going all out to get Max Verstappen. Maybe that explains how I feel about these two Red Bull drivers. A great pairing , best pairing on the grid. Charisma is great to have in a driver, great for the supporters, entertaining. Names come to mind, Senna, Hunt, Montoya, Gile Villeneuve, Ricciardo. But f I had to chose between charisma or fastest, I’d chose fastest. On Hamilton, i dont think he does lack charisma, he’s different to Ricciardo, he’s actually quite shy. But he has a greater following of fans than any other driver. charisma wise ricciardo is streaks ahead of hamilton!!! I'd put them 2 on a par for racing talent. remember when ric destroyed vettel when they were partners. and he's pretty much made short work of every other partner he's had too. of course if you are the team leader you want the fastest driver. team leaders don't care about legacy of the driver. they care about winning, making money, and therefore team legacy in the long run (which is regardless of which drivers dis the winning). it's the same in all sports boring champions are forgotten, interesting, charismatic ones are remembered. there's gonna be a winner whatever. people like to see it done in style. thats what theyll remember. when ricciardo wins his championship, he'll be way more talked about than Hamilton. as for online followers, I think it's because Hamilton lives on the internet. maybe that's his problem. he needs to get out more. he is also the first ever black f1 driver. this is going to get you a huge online following but certainly doesn't make him more or less charismatic.
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Post by natny on Nov 2, 2017 0:25:51 GMT
If I were a team boss with money to splash, it'd be Hamilton and Alonso again (for the PR, fireworks, camera time but actually the fight would be quite straightforward since 1 guy never learned how to qualify) If I were to go for the best pairing today for both performance and cost effectiveness, it would be Lewis Hamilton and Esteban Ocon. ham and ric for me
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Post by natny on Nov 2, 2017 0:28:23 GMT
.....and speaking of pairings, didn't Hamilton lose to button and rosberg? that's not looking great on your cv
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