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Post by racechick on Oct 28, 2017 17:24:24 GMT
Bernie Ecclestone, in his dotage, has come out and said what we all knew, the FIA, particularly under Max Mosely, bent the rules to favour Ferrari.
So that’s where your 2007 championship went Lewis, and your 100 million dollars Ron. To bent FIA under very bent Mosely. And thats just the one incident. There are many.
A disgrace!
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Post by Wß on Oct 28, 2017 17:59:00 GMT
They should all face criminal charges.
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Post by racechick on Oct 28, 2017 18:01:52 GMT
Indeed they should!
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Post by London on Oct 28, 2017 21:14:01 GMT
In every sport there is cheating. We just need someone to reveal the Truth to confirm what everyone was thinking.
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Post by Wß on Oct 29, 2017 16:06:09 GMT
Bernie is still a scumbag though, sour grapes coming out with all this dirty laundry now.
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Post by RyRy on Oct 29, 2017 16:57:43 GMT
It was official and known years ago, hence the ideas and rumors going around, it wasn't a minority it was a majority who believed Ferrari received help from the FIA. Liberty Media taking over F1 is not only good for the fairness, it gets all of this dirty shit out in the air so the more sour Bernie gets the better. We get to find it all out.
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Ferrari need F1 more than F1 needs Ferrari, if Ferrari left the sport they would lose their prestige over time and Mercedes & McLaren would continue to prosper; I'm surprised Red Bull haven't produced a car of their own to enter this field because they would get sales due to how well known they are at being a top F1 team as well as a top sports team in lots of other categories..
Just look how desperate Ferrari was to try and get back on the top of F1, they cheated, they threw their toys out the pram and they even spent more than likely a HUGE sum of money to pay Mercedes and take them up on the offer to provide engine development help. McLaren & Honda were offered this deal but they rejected it and it was only recently that we found out that Ferrari may (likely) have taken them up on the offer, hence their sudden and rather big improvement this year
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Post by Hammer on Oct 30, 2017 2:11:12 GMT
Those days? What about this year, the scumbag in the Ferrari has been breaking rules left and right and hardly gets a slap on the wrist.
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Post by racechick on Oct 30, 2017 8:13:58 GMT
Yes it continues. And yesterday was a prime example. Nothing for ruining Hamilton’s race, just ‘it was moted’. And nothing for leaving the track with all fou4 wheels to gain an advantage. he knew it was all over when Verstappen and then Lewis git ahead of him so resorted to his usual tactics. He has got away with SO MUCH this year. Deliberate acts like Baku and loads of incidents where he’s completely unaware of what’s going on around him.and penalties...nothing significant whatsoever. So yes, the FIA special treatment for Ferrari continues. SORT IT OUT LIBERTY!
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Post by Hammer on Nov 3, 2017 12:43:02 GMT
Here we go again, bunch of clowns and their go-to excuse to get things their way. Pathetic.
Ferrari questions Liberty Media's plans, threatens to quit F1
"Liberty has got a couple of good intentions in all of this, one of which is to reduce the cost of execution of the team which I think is good," he said. "[But] there are a couple of things we don't necessarily agree with. One is the fact that somehow powertrain uniqueness is not going to be one of the drivers of distinctiveness of the participants' line-up. I would not countenance this going forward.
"The fact that we now appear to be at odds in terms of the strategic development of this thing, and we see the sport in 2021 taking on a different air, is going to force some decisions on the part of Ferrari.
"I understand that Liberty may have taken this into account in coming up with their views, but I think it needs to be absolutely clear that unless we find a set of circumstances the results of which are beneficial to the maintenance of the brand, and the marketplace, and to the strengthening of the unique position for Ferrari, Ferrari will not play."
Ferrari president Sergio Marchionne is unimpressed with some of Liberty Media's future plans for F1. A Strategy Group meeting between F1's hierarchy and team bosses is set to take place next Tuesday, in which Liberty is expected to unveil more plans regarding the future of the sport. F1's new owners are understood to be keen to rebalance the distribution of income between teams in an attempt to promote greater competition, while the introduction of a budget cap to reduce spending has been mooted.
"I don't want to prejudge any of this, we'll see where it takes us," Marchionne explained. "What I do know is that it is part of our DNA since the day we were born. It's not as though we can define ourselves differently. But if we change the sandbox to the point where it becomes an unrecognisable sandbox, I don't want to play anymore."
Marchionne added that the financial implications of Ferrari leaving F1 would be "totally beneficial to the profit and loss", and claimed that "the board would be celebrating here until the cows come home".
Ferrari has competed in F1 ever since the world championship began in 1950, and is the most successful in the sport's history, having amassed a record 227 wins, 16 constructors' championships and 15 drivers' titles over the 68 seasons it has contested. It is committed to F1 until the end of 2020 under the Concorde Agreement -- which was drawn up in 2013.
The Maranello-based outfit has threatened to walk away from F1 on a number of occasions in the past, but this is the time that such a statement has been made under Marchionne's leadership.
When asked how he would feel about being the CEO that took Ferrari out of F1, Marchionne said: "Like a million bucks, because I'd be working on an alternative strategy to try and replace it. A more rational one, too.
"I'm attending this meeting on strategy because it's important and it matters a lot to this business. The financial implications of the wrong choice for the moment going forward are pretty significant to Ferrari."
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Post by racechick on Nov 3, 2017 16:56:46 GMT
This......... “but I think it needs to be absolutely clear that unless we find a set of circumstances the results of which are beneficial to the maintenance of the brand, and the marketplace, and to the strengthening of the unique position for Ferrari, Ferrari will not play."
I guess this means if you don’t make special arrangements for us and let us win and look good we’ll leave.
And this........ “ But if we change the sandbox to the point where it becomes an unrecognisable sandbox, I don't want to play anymore“
I gues this means, do things our way, do things to suit Ferrari, or we leave.
PA THE TIC!
Go on then Ferrari. If you can’t hack a level playing field, same rules for all, no more FIA favours and fairer distribution of prize money, then piss off!
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Post by London on Nov 7, 2017 21:41:09 GMT
Dont forget that It works the same way as Ferrari for Mercedes, Honda or Haas on engine rules and budget caps and costs. If teams dont have what they want, they will quit. All these convergences were created by Bernie. He persuaded Ferrari to stay in F1 by prize money distribution, so he can rake in more F1 cash because Ferrari brings value and money to F1. Liberty understood that the model is not sustainable in the long term.
Interesting read on the topic of Ferrari quit threats wtf1.com/post/when-ferrari-threatened-to-quit-f1-to-go-and-race-at-indy/
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