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Post by Wß on Apr 30, 2018 13:04:47 GMT
For those that picked Hamilton for the win in the pool yesterday you're brave.
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Post by RyRy on Apr 30, 2018 13:12:23 GMT
For those that picked Hamilton for the win in the pool yesterday you're brave. It was skill WB, all skill... and a tiny bit of luck Ok... maybe it was all luck! I gambled hoping no one else would gamble but like 4 of them gambled, I thought it looked like a dead cert that Ferrari would win.
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Post by Frontrunner on Apr 30, 2018 13:57:58 GMT
Baku sure does deliver some action and drama, Its becoming one of my favorite F1 layouts not only for good races but its quite fun the drive on F1 games. I'm hoping this race stays for sometime to come.
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Post by Wß on Apr 30, 2018 14:31:19 GMT
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Post by dogued on Apr 30, 2018 15:35:04 GMT
Hamilton accuses Vettel of breaking saftey car rulesA Ferrari doing something a little shifty? Lies! Article 20.3: More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off‐line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner. 2 things: Firstly, the article you are quoting is NOT 20.3 and hasn't been since 2013. The quoted item was 27.6 in 2016, however that brings me to point #2; That article was removed from the sporting regulations in March 2017. There is currently NO sporting regulation governing changes of direction. The closest you get these days is 27.4 At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person. There is however a race directive from Charlie about no more than one change of direction allowed, but that is only limited to the braking zone. So Max didn't technically do anything wrong. Did he squeeze in an unsporting way? Perhaps... but the final cause of the crash goes to good old aerodynamics. Ricciardo couldn't have stopped in time once Verstappen's car grounded as the sudden loss of airflow meant a huge reduction in downforce, hence the lock-up.
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Post by Hammer on May 1, 2018 3:55:26 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the full race I can watch....can't find any on Youtube. Nvm found one...a really HQ video.
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Post by Wß on May 1, 2018 11:56:41 GMT
@ dogued I hadn't known about the removal of that. Was it done last year after the Verstappen Vettel incidents? Changing of direction under braking or changing of direction under defending, it seems like six of one half dozen of the other.
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Post by dogued on May 1, 2018 12:29:35 GMT
Wß , It was removed in an April review 2017. The point of the removal, from what I remember at the time, was that they wanted to try and "return F1 to it's roots" and as long as you didn't shunt them off the track / force into a wall / weave when braking, it was all good. Of course, if you're weaving all over the place then it would be erratic and dangerous driving! It all falls under "improving the show", like the idea that's being floated to dump blue flags. Of course, for all that stuff to work, you need to be able to actually overtake outside of a DRS zone, but it's a start! I just rewatched a few of the key moments, and Ricciardo locked up and ran into max at the exact same spot Vettel did on the following restart. Maybe there was a bottoming out, cross wind, or something that had an external effect at that point. Not looking for excuses for any driver, but something was certainly iffy on that bit of tarmac. Speaking of Seb.... having read the article on the bbc about Hamilton complaining, I rewatched that restart.. and yeah.... Vettel has a nerve behaving like that after the way he bitched and moaned over Lewis last season!
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Post by Wß on May 1, 2018 12:33:08 GMT
I don't think we got to see Hamilton locking up his tires but apparently there was a suddent shift of wind from a strong headwind to a slight tail wind according to his pit wall.
We always talk about rain making races unpredictable, but the wind did it here.
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Post by Hammer on May 1, 2018 12:34:59 GMT
Just watched the race. Okay I guess it was building in my mind and I was expecting a thriller, but it was just nervous all the way through I guess and would've enjoyed it a lot more live.
As for the Redbull incident, I'm on Verslappens side on this one. He was always covering the inside, trying to make his car as wide as possible and he stuck to the rules I think. As dogued says, they enforced the rule and then removed it again so to me Ricciardo lost his cool after all that hard work and the pitstop undid all of it.
Plus I think I said on another forum, Ricciardo's style of overtaking requires a lot of cooperation from the guy in front. He looked like he walked on water in China because everyone behaved. But these high risk moves don't work over the long term if you're challenging for Championships.
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Post by dogued on May 1, 2018 12:42:15 GMT
I don't think we got to see Hamilton locking up his tires Lap 22, same section at the end of the straight, although he was on the outside while Riccardo and Vettel were on the inside.. but you could almost draw a straight line across the track on their skidmarks.
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Post by racechick on May 1, 2018 13:22:30 GMT
Wasn’t it in the braking zone that Verstappen weaved?
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Post by Frontrunner on May 1, 2018 13:55:18 GMT
Plus I think I said on another forum, Ricciardo's style of overtaking requires a lot of cooperation from the guy in front. He looked like he walked on water in China because everyone behaved. But these high risk moves don't work over the long term if you're challenging for Championships. You can probably say the same thing about Max's aggressive defense. But yeah, Dan probably picked the wrong battle, He should've known better with Max's history of defensive driving, should've waited for a better opportunity. but I always felt this was going to happen at some point with these 2, with Dan's offence and Max's defense, it was a accident waiting to happen. As for the incident IMO, both to blame but Max more so, But then again i'm probably a little bias to Daniel.
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Post by Hammer on May 1, 2018 14:11:34 GMT
Check out from the start, Verslappen was always covering the inside. Weaved slightly, didn't travel in a straight line but I didn't feel it was extensive. It's not like he moved from the inside, covering the outside. Daniel had the choice to go on the outside.
From a racing POV this looks like a planned move from Daniel, very ambitious since he probably expected Max to weave and cover the outside and then making it too late for him to cover the inside. I think he didn't realize that Max wouldn't attempt going to the outside, just a 'jerk' to the outside to put off Daniel and it worked.....badly for both drivers.
Look again from 0:24....Daniel is on the outside just waiting for the move from Verslappen and it came...but not to his expectation. He only feinted to the outside but didn't really move away from the inside line. This was high risk, and Daniel was trying to orchestra this and I guess after China he was still a little in the clouds.
Reverse roles and majority would just say Verstappen screwed up again by just outbraking himself and taking out his teammate.
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Post by Frontrunner on May 1, 2018 16:05:49 GMT
Watch that clip a fair few times now, I could never place 100% blame on one driver but I still think its more Max's fault than Daniel's.
I felt that when Max moved to the right almost 1 full car width that the inside was then opened up enough for Daniel to make the move and then for Max to hold his new line going into turn 1, The move back to the left from Max is the part I didn't like and is not right IMO.
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Post by Wß on May 1, 2018 16:32:25 GMT
^^ I agree, especially coupled with the race as it had unfolded until that point with Max have no ability to challenge anyone in front of him and the history he's amassed at being dirty to overtake since he got into the sport.
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Post by Wß on May 1, 2018 19:16:27 GMT
“If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver” -Ayrton Senna
"Or just dive bomb for the lead and lock up" -Sebastian Vettel
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Post by Hammer on May 2, 2018 4:35:45 GMT
“If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver” -Ayrton Senna
"Or just dive bomb for the lead and lock up" -Sebastian Vettel
Poor Seb saw his mirrors full of the Hamilton and peed his overalls, that's what happened.
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Post by RyRy on May 3, 2018 11:52:51 GMT
Why was 2018's fastest lap 2 seconds slower than 2017's? Was the colder weather really make that much of a difference for the tyres?
2018 had: - Better engines - Better aero - Softer tyres
Both races had safety cars near the end of the race...
I know in 2016 they all went for more downforce than they needed, 2017 they all dropped tons of downforce... did teams increase their downforce again for 2018?
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Post by Wß on May 3, 2018 12:04:31 GMT
The cars gained weight because of the extra fuel and the halo. Headwinds and perhaps additional downforce from teams to contend with the gusts would be my guesses.
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