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Post by racechick on Jun 8, 2018 7:30:39 GMT
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Post by Hammer on Jun 8, 2018 10:44:17 GMT
Great timing for Mercedes to have stupid issues. This was one one those tailor made tracks where they could've gotten maximum points. D!ckheads
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Post by London on Jun 8, 2018 16:55:24 GMT
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Post by RyRy on Jun 8, 2018 19:35:38 GMT
It doesn't look too bad for Mercedes so far... Hamilton finished P2 on the ultrasofts whilst Verstappen was on the hypersofts and he could only go 0.088 faster! Ricciardo, Vettel & Raikkonen couldn't even beat Hamilton. Bottas put himself in the mix too splitting the Ferraris.
Toro Rosso & Mercedes were the fastest two cars in in FP1 in the speed traps, it certainly shows that the Honda engine isn't that bad. The fact that Toro Rosso are able to match and beat McLaren several times this season shows that either McLaren have a pretty bad chassis (remember they're using the same engine as Red Bull) or Toro Rosso have a really really good chassis or the Honda engine is actually pretty decent this year.
The FP2 Long Runs were looking like: - Mercedes: 1:16.4-1:16.5 - Red Bull: 1:16.5-1:16.6 - Ferrari: 1:16.6-1:16.7
In FP2 Hamilton's laptime was on the super softs which is two compounds harder than what Ferrari and Red Bull were running and he was only 0.5 slower than them. Bottas was on the ultrasofts and finished 6th a further 3 tenths down so we can safely assume he had an issue or didn't get a clean lap in.
The order for top 10 looks like it'll be: Mercedes Red Bull Ferrari McLaren Force India Haas Toro Rosso Sauber Renault Williams
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Post by London on Jun 8, 2018 20:25:26 GMT
To be fair Ferrari was testing some new bits and probably sandbagging during both sessions. Vettel had a problem in FP2 which shortened his session. I dont know what was his problem though.
McLaren car is suffering from too much drag as well but yeah it is clearly not the only reason they are the slowest Renault-powered team.
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Post by Wß on Jun 9, 2018 0:06:32 GMT
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Post by Wß on Jun 9, 2018 0:11:50 GMT
I think it will be a lot closer come Saturday Qualifying, I'm sure Mercedes and probably others will try to do Q2 with the US tires. In any case, PU being down on power, etc, etc... Hamilton has 3 or 4 tenths up on anybody here. That I'm sure is enough to even out Q3 on Saturday. Bottas is also pretty good here. I recall I think it was 2011 that the got 3rd or something for Williams in Qualifying during changing conditions. This is a circuit he's historically done well in.
The Red Bull look strong on pace, but you can tell by the demeanor in their drivers that they still lack the Qualy pace. Every other team from Red Bull down though, it's going to be a major slugfest because it's SO close.
Sunday there will be crashes, there will be SC and there will be excitement because it's Montreal, there's always a good race here. Why? Because you can overtake! I also believe that we'll see some teams going for a one stop and others for a two stopper. Hold on to your bleacher seats.
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Post by London on Jun 9, 2018 12:58:45 GMT
Bottas' performances in Canada are overrated by his stats imo. I dont remember his drive well enough here to make further judgments but that's the feeling I have.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 9, 2018 16:21:12 GMT
So...
It looks like we might see another Barcelona type qualifying where the Ultrasofts are able to hold on for the entire lap where as the Hypersofts fall off in the last sector, which hurts the laptime because of the hairpin and the chicane.
There isn't much wind today, but the wind that is blowing is mostly blowing as a tailwind down the long straights however it's got a little bit of a diagonal angle and occasionally upsetting cars into the chicane.
Red Bull seem to have way more downforce than Ferrari & Mercedes, they're comfortably faster in the corners and are losing 2 tenths in the last sector, I can only assume they're sacrificing qualifying as they don't feel they can beat Ferrari & Mercedes on ultimate pace so with the upped downforce they're hurting on their straight line speed and with the increase in grip it's reducing their sliding to make their tyres last longer than other teams in the race.
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Post by London on Jun 9, 2018 17:12:34 GMT
Toto said Mercedes isnt good out of the hairpin on the HS.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 9, 2018 18:07:42 GMT
Ferrari/Mercedes/Red Bull are 0.7~ faster than Williams in S1 and S2 and a entire 1.4~ faster in S3!
Q1 - Gasly didn't get through, even though Hartley managed P8. That Honda engine imo looks like it's a match for the Renault engine. I fully expect Red Bull to switch to Honda next year - McLaren only just about sneaking through, being beaten by a Sauber... how embarrassing. - Williams again both out in Q1... 5/7 double eliminations so far this season. - Mercedes seem to be losing about a tenth in the last sector. - Red Bull are indeed aiming for a minimum of P5/P6 and focusing on the race setup/pace. - Force India look decent, pretty similar pace to Toro Rosso - Renault only did 3 laps in Q1, that's pretty impressive that they did so decently.
Q2 - Ferrari & Mercedes using the ultrasofts for Q2 so they can start on them in the race. - Hamilton was on fire through S1 and S2, locked up in S3 and lost 3 tenths and damaged his race tyres a little. - Bottas showing that Mercedes do have the pace on the ultrasofts as we've seen all weekend, matching Vettel. - Very very clear from the RB onboard that they've got tons more downforce than Ferrari and Mercedes, probably the reason they decided to run the hypersofts as they'll be able to keep them alive for just as long as Mercedes & Ferrari on the ultrasofts - Renault showing they are decent too, they look like they're the 4th fastest team, followed by Force India. Haas is a little bit of an unknown because we're missing Grosjean. - Hartley / Toro Rosso comfortably faster than McLaren (3+ tenths, it was less once McLaren got a good lap but it was taking them lots of laps to match Hartley.) - Mercedes tried to get Ferrari to switch to the hypersofts and it nearly worked except for Vettel's lap being destroyed by a queue of cars lining up to start a hot lap. I'd be issuing penalties to 4~ cars if I was the FIA.
Q3 - Hamilton had a messy first run, lost about 2+ tenths in the hairpin alone. - Bottas nailed his lap, a very good lap indeed. - Vettel also nailed his lap, another very good lap. - Raikkonen didn't look like he had any issues, he was just slow. - Red Bull looked amazing through S1 and S2, their car looks so damn grippy! They're decent out of the hairpin but losing a ton of time down the straights - Hamilton's second run was looking decent again until he locked up at the hairpin again, losing 2+ tenths - Bottas about the same as before, I don't think he has much more he can improve on. - Vettel nailed his second lap too, that was a lovely lap no issues for him. - Amazing lap from Verstappen, that was probably the lap of the session. - Ricciardio just didn't seem on it like the others
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Post by London on Jun 9, 2018 19:04:52 GMT
Bottas' performances in Canada are overrated by his stats imo. I dont remember his drive well enough here to make further judgments but that's the feeling I have. Deadass 😂
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Post by London on Jun 9, 2018 19:10:49 GMT
😣
The level of disappointment is… Mercedes needs to explain how Lewis can lose performance in the car suddenly… Its not the first time this happens… smh. Now I am afraid Lewis is off the pace tomorrow.
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Post by Wß on Jun 9, 2018 19:21:06 GMT
Bottas' performances in Canada are overrated by his stats imo. I dont remember his drive well enough here to make further judgments but that's the feeling I have. Deadass 😂You were saying? He'll do well in tomorrow race but here, race pace on the Ultra and the Super will be king. I think we'll see a Merc 1-2.
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Post by Wß on Jun 9, 2018 19:23:10 GMT
Congratulations to Ferrari and Sebastian Vettel. New PU versus a 6 race old Mercedes PU and they manage to put their car on Pole by 0.093 seconds! It's almost as if they're down on power. Let's pretend nothing happened and hit the reset button on the season. I believe we've got the answers we were looking for. For the race tomorrow, with the mixed strategy between the Red Bulls and the others. Force India and Renault battling for the mid field, getting past them will not be a cake walk. It's going to be a great race! Why do I love Canada? Because I get to watch Qualifying like this...
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Post by London on Jun 9, 2018 19:24:12 GMT
I hope you are right WB.
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Post by Wß on Jun 9, 2018 19:36:06 GMT
3... count them 3 DRS zones, this is a fuel heavy track due to the amount of time on throttle, Mer might actually find something wonky with Lewis' car over night. He didn't put a good lap together once, that hair pin was giving him all sorts of problems getting it right.
The guy to keep an eye out for tomorrow is Verstappen. Hypersoft start with the clean line and the short run up to the first couple of turns. I may not keep my eyes open.
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Post by Wß on Jun 10, 2018 1:33:04 GMT
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Post by LewEngBridewell on Jun 10, 2018 13:48:52 GMT
Not the qualifying result I expected following Merc's domination of proceedings here in recent years, and also their seemingly conservative approach to Free Practice in terms of tyre usage.
If the race is as close between the top teams as it was in qualifying, then we should be in for a good one. Here's hoping!
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Post by Wß on Jun 10, 2018 14:28:56 GMT
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