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Post by RyRy on Jun 20, 2018 13:53:41 GMT
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Post by RyRy on Jun 20, 2018 14:02:15 GMT
Interesting the FIA have opted for two DRS zones and a chicane down the Mistral straight, they could have potentially kept it one big straight unless they think it would have been too easy to overtake with such a long straight, DRS didn't work at all really at Canada so I was expecting them to make the DRS zones stronger here.
Why not try a small DRS zone between 2 and 3, likewise why not try a DRS zone after 9, down to turn 10 which will allow cars to get close and attempt to pass on their own without DRS into 11.
I wonder how overtaking would be if they allowed DRS on every straight but made it so once you are within 0.x seconds of the car in front your DRS stops working?
The same for what if we allowed every single car to have DRS regardless of being within 1 second of the car in front... but if a car gets to within 1 second behind you then your DRS stops working and as soon as that car gets to within 0.x of a second behind their DRS stops working, ultimately allowing cars to run much faster in the races (closer to qualifying) and helps them get close but doesn't allow them to overtake under DRS.
Plus it would add a whole new dynamic to the race if we get situations where a slower car is behind a fast car, it can slow the car in front up whilst benefiting and mean faster cars who are on their own can catch up
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Post by Hammer on Jun 21, 2018 5:55:22 GMT
Interesting the FIA have opted for two DRS zones and a chicane down the Mistral straight, they could have potentially kept it one big straight unless they think it would have been too easy to overtake with such a long straight, DRS didn't work at all really at Canada so I was expecting them to make the DRS zones stronger here. Why not try a small DRS zone between 2 and 3, likewise why not try a DRS zone after 9, down to turn 10 which will allow cars to get close and attempt to pass on their own without DRS into 11. I wonder how overtaking would be if they allowed DRS on every straight but made it so once you are within 0.x seconds of the car in front your DRS stops working? The same for what if we allowed every single car to have DRS regardless of being within 1 second of the car in front... but if a car gets to within 1 second behind you then your DRS stops working and as soon as that car gets to within 0.x of a second behind their DRS stops working, ultimately allowing cars to run much faster in the races (closer to qualifying) and helps them get close but doesn't allow them to overtake under DRS.Plus it would add a whole new dynamic to the race if we get situations where a slower car is behind a fast car, it can slow the car in front up whilst benefiting and mean faster cars who are on their own can catch up
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Post by Wß on Jun 21, 2018 11:18:51 GMT
I'm back guys, it's been a shitty time dealing with a lot of work stuff, but we've got three GPs in three weekends so gotta start paying attention if I'm going to move up the ranks on the fantasy and pool games. (sucking hard atm)
Anyway, question for the "statisticians" in our forum.
Has there ever been 3 back to back French speaking GP locations? Monaco, Montreal and now France. Curious minds want to know.
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Post by Wß on Jun 21, 2018 12:01:01 GMT
...and what would be an F1 race without a bit of controversy right from the start.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 21, 2018 19:39:19 GMT
Hammer you are such an anti-DRS! lol
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Post by dogued on Jun 22, 2018 6:41:10 GMT
Track length is 5.842 kilometres, indicating a race distance of 53 laps. The Mistral straight was shortened after a fatal crash in testing in 1985. The last few races there used the "short" track which joins Mistral just before where the current chicane is.
Formula Renualt Eurocup use the same layout as F1, with the nord chicane. A full lap is about 70% on throttle for them, and 2018 pole time was a 2:02.456. To put that in perspective, at Monaco F1 pole was 1:10.810 vs Eurocup fastest Q time of 1:30.682
Some vision of the track with the Eurocup races
and just cause I was looking at Eurocup stuff....
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Post by dogued on Jun 22, 2018 12:01:11 GMT
FP1 Results
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:32.231 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes +0.140 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing +0.296 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari +0.772 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari +0.969 Romain Grosjean Haas +1.087 Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing +1.100 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso +1.454 Sergio Perez Force India +1.488 Kevin Magnussen Haas +1.877 Carlos Sainz Renault +2.027 Esteban Ocon Force India +2.253 Charles Leclerc Sauber +2.282 Marcus Ericsson Sauber +2.361 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso +2.433 Fernando Alonso McLaren +2.631 Lance Stroll Williams +2.650 Nico Hulkenberg Renault +2.762 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren +2.790 Sergey Sirotkin Williams +2.874
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Post by dogued on Jun 22, 2018 15:49:20 GMT
FP2 Results
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:32.539 UltraSoft Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing +0.704 UltraSoft Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing +0.732 UltraSoft Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari +0.887 UltraSoft Sebastian Vettel Ferrari +1.150 UltraSoft Romain Grosjean Haas +1.160 UltraSoft Valtteri Bottas Mercedes +1.617 Soft Fernando Alonso McLaren +1.861 UltraSoft Kevin Magnussen Haas +1.918 UltraSoft Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso +1.996 UltraSoft Nico Hulkenberg Renault Carlos Sainz Renault Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren Charles Leclerc Sauber Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso Esteban Ocon Force India Lance Stroll Williams Sergey Sirotkin Williams Sergio Perez Force India Marcus Ericsson Sauber
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Post by dogued on Jun 23, 2018 10:30:05 GMT
Looking at best sector times, the "ultimate" pace of Hamilton was 1:31.967. To keep in mind, Bottas said they haven't turned the engine up yet as they wanted to make sure it bedded in ok, so there could be as much as 1.5s still to come from the engine alone (and that doesn't count "paty mode"!) Add to that natural track evolution and drivers performance, we could be looking at improvments up to 3s come Q1 (or more.)
Long run pace had Mercedes on top, then Ferrari, then RedBull, but with only about a tenth between each.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 23, 2018 10:44:15 GMT
It's currently raining just outside the track, spitting in the last part of the track. Weather forecast for qualifying is thunderstorms with a 50% chance of rain.
Edit: Rain appearing on cameras and visors, air & track is cooling. Thunderstorms about 6miles / 10km away from the track.
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Post by dogued on Jun 23, 2018 12:44:13 GMT
well it's bucketing down now... which explains Bottas being top of FP3; he did the Pireli wet weather testing here!
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Post by dogued on Jun 23, 2018 14:40:04 GMT
Ominous signs.....
Midpoint of Q2 and times are:
1. Lewis Hamilton 1:30.645 on SS tyres 2. Sebastian Vettle 1:30.953 on US tyres 3. Kimi Raikenon 1:31.104 on US tyres
Lewis was a full 1.4s faster than the next best non-mercedes after first runs!
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Post by dogued on Jun 23, 2018 14:50:43 GMT
Lewis Hamilton POLE! That's his 75th Pole, 24th different GP pole, and 27th different track for pole (all outright records now)
Hamilton & Bottas will start P1 & P2 on SS tyres. Vettel is P3 on US and Verstappen is P4 on SS. Ricciardo is P5 on SS and Raikkonen is P6 on US
That's a great mix, but I have a feeling this is a Grand Chelem weekend!
But shock... BOTH McLarens out in Q1
But BIGGER shock... Charles Leclerc gets the Sauber into Q3 and will start 8th!
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Post by Hammer on Jun 23, 2018 14:54:30 GMT
Oh god...if I were the boss at Haas, I'd be throwing out Moanjeans stuff out of the motorhome already.
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Post by racechick on Jun 23, 2018 14:58:57 GMT
Leclerc, brilliant!! Grosjean
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Post by Hammer on Jun 23, 2018 15:12:10 GMT
Good to see Lewis and Mercedes back in business. This is more like it!
Kimi needs to follow Moanjoan out the door.
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Post by Wß on Jun 23, 2018 15:28:53 GMT
Leclerc, brilliant!! Grosjean If the guy isn't driving for Ferrari next year, it will be a bad joke. He's two positions behind Kimi driving a Sauber, Vettel has to be quaking in his racing shoes.
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Post by dogued on Jun 23, 2018 15:29:16 GMT
Kimi needs to follow Moanjoan out the door. It's about 90% certain that Leclerc will be in the Ferrari for 2019, so I have no concerns about Kimi being gone... but I'm really worried that Haas will keep their drivers :/ Wouldn't mind seeing Dan Ric moving to Haas... the car is fast, currently 4th behind MER/FER/RBR, and with a good consistant driver and a little tweak, it could push up there.
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Post by Wß on Jun 23, 2018 15:34:54 GMT
Williams and McLaren both out in Q1... what has become of British racing? I was thinking the other day that every decision that's come out of McLaren since Spa 2012 has been the wrong one.
And there's no excuse from them now that the gap to the team with the same engine is 1.5 seconds. The bullshit of we've got the best chassis no longer flies. We know the problem with Williams is just money, without it they simply can't hire or retain the talent they need. Williams' only hope in the future has to be partnering with a new PU supplier for 2021 and putting in the resources for that NOW.
Maybe the simplified aero regulations will help them next year a little bit since they've got the Merc PU. It's pretty dire for both of them at the moment.
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