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Post by Wß on Jun 28, 2018 23:46:40 GMT
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Post by Wß on Jun 28, 2018 23:47:24 GMT
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Post by racechick on Jun 29, 2018 7:14:39 GMT
Following last weeks engine upgrade, Mercedes are bringing a raft of bodywork upgrades to Austria, the biggest upgrades so far this season “Mercedes will run new sidepods, bargeboards, longer mirror stalks and a revised rear wing in Austria.” Lewis is excited to try them out today. www.planetf1.com/news/hamilton-out-to-frighten-rivals-with-updates/Wish I’d read this before doing interforum picks!
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Post by Wß on Jun 29, 2018 11:06:19 GMT
I won't be long now until we find out how they'll do on pace. Half of the circuit is DRS zone, this can turn out to be some lunatic fringe type racing this weekend.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 29, 2018 15:48:17 GMT
Mercedes seems to be in control. Hope they keep this up and don't suddenly go all "we went the wrong direction in FP3 for some reason" tomorrow.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 30, 2018 13:24:34 GMT
Q1:
- Force India struggling, car is sliding a lot and looks really quite bad to drive. - Williams looks like it's improved a fair bit, they looked better this weekend so far and Stroll managed to get through - McLaren still rather slow. The weird thing is they are the 4th fastest car through 7 and 8 which is all aerodynamics which makes it look like they're struggling to excessive drag. - Hass look impressivley fast this weekend. - Leclerc again so much faster than Erricson, when will Sauber get rid of Erricson... it's time for him to go home. - Very mixed across the field with the exception of 1st and 2nd, controlled by Mercedes.
Q2:
- Hamilton on a slightly harder compound 0.2 clear of Vettel, Bottas only 0.020 clear of Vettel but still in Q3 they will all run the ultras. On the second laps Vettel matched Hamilton. - Hass (Grosjean) matching Verstappen again, the Hass still look strong! - Renault taking the last two spots in the top 10. - Ferrari ran ultrasofts where as Mercedes & Red Bull both ran the supersofts, I still think the supersofts are the tyres to be on especially with such a short run to turn 1.
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Post by Wß on Jun 30, 2018 14:33:59 GMT
Damn those special Mercedes tires are so good, the effect lasts until the following race. I knew Bottas would do it, had him picked for Pole with a 63.4 way off on the time, but he goes well in this track. Going back to the Williams days. Congrats to him!
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Post by RyRy on Jun 30, 2018 18:03:09 GMT
After Practice 3 I said that Mercedes would beat Ferrari by 3 tenths because that's roughly what Hamilton lost on his lap in practice due to mistakes made in turns 1, 2 and 3 and lots of people disagreed with me, I was also pretty confident that Bottas would get pole because he's decent around here like you said WB and because he wasn't having any of these mistakes.
Great work by Bottas though, he set a healthy banker lap and then on his second lap he went all out and improved by a nice chunk and as for Hamilton, that was a fantastic recovery managing to match Bottas.
Sector 3 here is is very much fast corner aerodynamics more than anything else and that's where Mercedes were 2 tenths faster than Ferrari, interesting to note that Grosjean was the 4th fastest car in sector 3 and Magnussen was the 8th fastest in sector 3.
Vettel was fastest in sector 2 by a tenth and based on the onboard this looked like it was under braking down the hill of turn 3 but then again Vettel was also a tenth down (even on Raikkonen) in sector 1. Raikkonen somehow was 2 tenths slower slower than Vettel in sector 3 (There's a potential that Vettel is running more downforce than Raikkonen)
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Post by Wß on Jun 30, 2018 18:06:25 GMT
Yeah given the Sector 3 performance, Silverstone... Hamilton is going to be on a mission there. If it rains, he'll lap the field.
BTW, what your opinion on the spat between the drivers at Red Bull? Man things there are not "happy". I think Ricciardo has no place to go, but staying at Red Bull is seeming like a toxic situation at the moment. Verstappen is not a teammate to have. The guy is talented, but clearly not talented enough to simply shut up and let his driving do the talking. With Ricciardo's set up massively different, and him getting a tow the still was only fractionally slower.
I hope Verstappen matures, he's a good talent but he's not driving for a championship and still refuses to help his teammate. It's the reason they got split by Grossjean. I know it's competetive and I know they are not the most best of friends, esp since Baku but at some point you do what's right for the team and Verstappen has shown that he's simply unwilling to do that.
Interesting to see how he goes and where he goes should he leave Red Bull. He seems tailor made for a Ferrari seat, it would be a good fit there.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 30, 2018 18:20:00 GMT
Wow Vettel actually got a penalty this time for impeding Sainz.
That's.....shocking.
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Post by Wß on Jun 30, 2018 18:28:05 GMT
Wow Vettel actually got a penalty this time for impeding Sainz. That's.....shocking. It was more of penalty on Ferrari than Vettel. His team failed him. That's just going to place undue pressure on the start. I think given what happened last week, he'll keep his nose clean. I also feel a hell of a lot more comfortable with Kimi starting up front as he's likely to get through a clean first lap.
There's gonna be sparks with the Red Bull boys though, and Vettel needs to be very wary.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 30, 2018 18:30:23 GMT
Wow Vettel actually got a penalty this time for impeding Sainz. That's.....shocking. It was more of penalty on Ferrari than Vettel. His team failed him. That's just going to place undue pressure on the start. I think given what happened last week, he'll keep his nose clean. I also feel a hell of a lot more comfortable with Kimi starting up front as he's likely to get through a clean first lap.
There's gonna be sparks with the Red Bull boys though, and Vettel needs to be very wary.
Kimi is almost sure to lose a place tomorrow....I predict Verstappen is 3rd after the 2nd corner.
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Post by Wß on Jun 30, 2018 18:32:13 GMT
I don't know about that. He's starting on the Ultras.
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Post by RyRy on Jun 30, 2018 19:04:02 GMT
Yeah given the Sector 3 performance, Silverstone... Hamilton is going to be on a mission there. If it rains, he'll lap the field. He's been racing very conservatively, he could have easily have finished 30+ seconds ahead in the French GP but just turned everything down and drove home. If he is clear and comfortable out front he'll just drive safely all the way home again. Speaking of lapping... I just did a race on Project Cars 2. Some kid was shittalking me in qualifying even though I qualified P2 and he qualified P13 (out of 20). His buddy tried to crash me out in the race 3 times and failed each time (waited until I was coming up to lap him) and as for the kid who was shittalking, after 14 out of the 20 laps I lapped him and he was clearly unhappy he attempted to divebomb me into a corner and I just let him drive off into the grass/gravel and just drove off xD. I went 0.9 of a second faster in the race than I did in qualifying and had the fastest lap in the race by over 2 seconds BTW, what your opinion on the spat between the drivers at Red Bull? Man things there are not "happy". I think Ricciardo has no place to go, but staying at Red Bull is seeming like a toxic situation at the moment. Verstappen is not a teammate to have. The guy is talented, but clearly not talented enough to simply shut up and let his driving do the talking. With Ricciardo's set up massively different, and him getting a tow the still was only fractionally slower.
I hope Verstappen matures, he's a good talent but he's not driving for a championship and still refuses to help his teammate. It's the reason they got split by Grossjean. I know it's competetive and I know they are not the most best of friends, esp since Baku but at some point you do what's right for the team and Verstappen has shown that he's simply unwilling to do that. Interesting to see how he goes and where he goes should he leave Red Bull. He seems tailor made for a Ferrari seat, it would be a good fit there.
It's because of Verstappens douchebag dad, giving him a twatty attitude however the tow around here isn't that big or easy to pull off and it was Ricciardo's turn to go out first so he shouldn't really be making a fuss. Just do a good job in the race and let Verstappen crash. Wow Vettel actually got a penalty this time for impeding Sainz. That's.....shocking. I was surprised but he clearly did block Perez and imeded his lap, sure it's the teams fault but the driver has mirrors too so he is just as much to blame. Lots of people are saying it's inconsistant because of the impeding that happened against Vettel in Canada and no one got a penalty. The big difference is in Canada is that in Canada Vettel had already set a 1:11.524 and was comfortably through into Q3 where as in this case Perez was fighting for his position to stay/get into Q3.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 1, 2018 5:50:19 GMT
The way I understood it after seeing the interviews and RBs response, it was Ricciardo being sneaky and going against protocol.
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Post by racechick on Jul 1, 2018 7:52:24 GMT
The way I understood it after seeing the interviews and RBs response, it was Ricciardo being sneaky and going against protocol. Hmm, that was my first thought after hearing the guys speak. ( only caught the second half of Ricciardo’s) Danny said, “I gave him tows , I was punching a hole I just needed a little help” Vestappen said, “ it was his turn, I went first at Paul Ricard, I towed then, it was his turn today” After that I thought, fair enough. If it’s taken in turns ( same as the Merc boys do) then Ricciardo really has no arguement. Then I read a few other views on it. Danny was on a different setting, lower downforce which helped him in corners but he needed a tow on the straights. He just wanted one run like that. The team knew this and asked Verstappen to let Ricciardo through. Verstappen refused. So he disobeyed a team order. Verstappen is a huge talent but he’s selfish. His attitude will help his personal crusade to win and will get him through criticism by others unscathed, but it’s not the attitude of a team player.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 1, 2018 8:15:54 GMT
The way I understood it after seeing the interviews and RBs response, it was Ricciardo being sneaky and going against protocol. Hmm, that was my first thought after hearing the guys speak. ( only caught the second half of Ricciardo’s) Danny said, “I gave him tows , I was punching a hole I just needed a little help” Vestappen said, “ it was his turn, I went first at Paul Ricard, I towed then, it was his turn today” After that I thought, fair enough. If it’s taken in turns ( same as the Merc boys do) then Ricciardo really has no arguement. Then I read a few other views on it. Danny was on a different setting, lower downforce which helped him in corners but he needed a tow on the straights. He just wanted one run like that. The team knew this and asked Verstappen to let Ricciardo through. Verstappen refused. So he disobeyed a team order. Verstappen is a huge talent but he’s selfish. His attitude will help his personal crusade to win and will get him through criticism by others unscathed, but it’s not the attitude of a team player. But you see, this should've been cleared up before Q3 took place. If I were Verslappen and they suddenly broke this news to me while I'm driving and my teammate is suspiciously slowing, I would react the same way. If the plan all along was, ok Ricciardo is on higher downforce Max so please give him 1 run....ok, then all's fair. But this funny thing happens in front of me when it shouldn't and then my engineer tells me to break normal protocol (which gives my teammate an advantage) I'm not going to be happy about that. If Ricciardo felt he deserved a tow he should've brought it up before Q3. I think it's unfair on Verslappen to blame him in anyway for this.
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Post by racechick on Jul 1, 2018 8:21:34 GMT
Hmm, that was my first thought after hearing the guys speak. ( only caught the second half of Ricciardo’s) Danny said, “I gave him tows , I was punching a hole I just needed a little help” Vestappen said, “ it was his turn, I went first at Paul Ricard, I towed then, it was his turn today” After that I thought, fair enough. If it’s taken in turns ( same as the Merc boys do) then Ricciardo really has no arguement. Then I read a few other views on it. Danny was on a different setting, lower downforce which helped him in corners but he needed a tow on the straights. He just wanted one run like that. The team knew this and asked Verstappen to let Ricciardo through. Verstappen refused. So he disobeyed a team order. Verstappen is a huge talent but he’s selfish. His attitude will help his personal crusade to win and will get him through criticism by others unscathed, but it’s not the attitude of a team player. But you see, this should've been cleared up before Q3 took place. If I were Verslappen and they suddenly broke this news to me while I'm driving and my teammate is suspiciously slowing, I would react the same way. If the plan all along was, ok Ricciardo is on higher downforce Max so please give him 1 run....ok, then all's fair. But this funny thing happens in front of me when it shouldn't and then my engineer tells me to break normal protocol (which gives my teammate an advantage) I'm not going to be happy about that. If Ricciardo felt he deserved a tow he should've brought it up before Q3. I think it's unfair on Verslappen to blame him in anyway for this. Yes I agree with that. It should have been made absolutely clear. Ricciardo was under the assumption that it would be the case, but he himself says he should have insisted it was there in black and white before quali. I suspect Verstappen knew exactly what he was supposed to do in the circumstance, but because it wasn’t stated as an absolute before hand, he pretended not to and fell back on the. “ it was his turn to lead”
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Post by LewEngBridewell on Jul 1, 2018 10:36:48 GMT
I won't be long now until we find out how they'll do on pace. Half of the circuit is DRS zone, this can turn out to be some lunatic fringe type racing this weekend. I really hope they've not put the DRS activation point too early like they did on that straight in Paul Ricard. You'd have though they'd be getting it right here, having had 4 prior years of practice...
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Post by LewEngBridewell on Jul 1, 2018 10:38:16 GMT
Wow Vettel actually got a penalty this time for impeding Sainz. That's.....shocking. <iframe width="27.25999999999999" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 27.25999999999999px; height: 3.5600000000000023px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_68022410" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="27.25999999999999" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 27.26px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1299px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_97028782" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="27.25999999999999" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 27.26px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_51855227" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="27.25999999999999" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 27.26px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1299px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84730271" scrolling="no"></iframe> Fair enough, impeding deserves a punishment, but I was kinda looking forward to an explosive start with Seb and the Mercs. I feel it'll be muted a little bit now...
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