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Post by Wß on Jul 8, 2018 12:37:49 GMT
Insanely close. The Ferrari did seem a little more of a handful, as if they trimmed it to get the speed up on the straights.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 8, 2018 12:50:12 GMT
Mercedes: - Stronger in the fast corners. - Better acceleration and much faster mid-range.
Ferrari - Stronger in the slow corners. - More straight line speed.
The straight line speed could be a bad thing for Mercedes in the race, Hamilton really needed a rear gunner as that would have helped protect both himself and Bottas (DRS)
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Post by Hammer on Jul 8, 2018 13:17:46 GMT
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Post by Liam Catterson on Jul 8, 2018 13:21:56 GMT
I am glad I am not there now. I'd be absolutely be murdered for supporting Ferrari...
...But I've been wanting Kimi out forever so...
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Post by Liam Catterson on Jul 8, 2018 13:23:45 GMT
But now, for ranting...
LECLERC REPLACE RAIKKONEN. HE MESSED UP MY FANTASY AND POOL PICKS.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 8, 2018 14:43:09 GMT
Vettel - Nothing special.
Hamilton - Great recovery drive, fantastic lap times and easy DOTD for me. On the restart he gained 0.4 on Vettel through Maggots and Beckets lol
Raikkonen - A driver of that experience shouldn't be making these sorts of mistakes, Vettel did this in France and it's not right but at least the stewards actually gave an appropriate penalty this time.
Bottas - Good job, not fast enough on the mediums.
Red Bull - Unable to really challenge, not fast enough on the straights.
Race - Really good race, that was exciting stuff at the end of the race. Hamilton would have absolutely stomped them if he had got a good start / didn't get taken out.
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Post by Wß on Jul 8, 2018 14:45:33 GMT
Good race, Lewis lost it at the start, I'm amazed he wound up 2nd after having to come back from the back of the grid. Raikkonen competitive tells me Ferrari had the car today. Attrition city. Who knows where we'll be on the results. I've got yard work a plenty, hopefully will be back in a couple of hours.
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Post by dogued on Jul 8, 2018 14:48:33 GMT
I'll give Seb the benefit of the doubt on the France issue.... but Kimi is, to quote JPM "a fucking idiot!" Shame Lewis couldn't get the win, amazing pace in that car would have been very interesting if he was up front... although considering saftey cars the pace didn't matter as much.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 8, 2018 15:24:17 GMT
Good race, Lewis lost it at the start, I'm amazed he wound up 2nd after having to come back from the back of the grid. Raikkonen competitive tells me Ferrari had the car today. Attrition city. Who knows where we'll be on the results. I've got yard work a plenty, hopefully will be back in a couple of hours. I couldn't disagree more... Raikkonen is normally very good at Silverstone, it's one of his strongest tracks and he showed this in qualifying. If he hadn't have made a mistake in qualifying he would have been on pole position because Hamilton kept making small mistakes in the slow corners. As for the race, Hamilton on Mediums vs other drivers on Mediums was going 1+ seconds a lap faster than them and when he was on old medium tyres he was able to match Ferrari on new soft tyres. The softs are about a second a lap faster than medium tyres Just look when Hamilton was in clean air in P2, he was matching Vettel in the lead who had soft tyres on which makes sense because most of the race Hamilton was a second a lap faster when in clean air. If Hamilton had not been crashed into at the start or had kept P1 at the start I'm sure he would have walked this race.
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Post by Wß on Jul 8, 2018 15:49:25 GMT
He had to car to win, no debate there. I don't think Bottas did though, Hamilton lost the race at the start, but Ferrari was a match for Mercedes in a circuit where the Merc should have been stronger. They're at a disadvantage in high heat IMO.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 8, 2018 16:10:41 GMT
Hamilton would've killed this race if Raikkonen wasn't a fuckin fuckin idiot!! That said, 2nd place after the first lap where I thought Lewis was going to park it due to a broken suspension.....it's one hell of a comeback. But the moment I saw Kimi lccking up and Hamilton going around the outside I was like 'oh god no' and 1 second later seeing that lazy spin.....sigh.
Again, Grosjean proves to be a fucking moron....I'm so sick of this guy I feel like punching him repeatedly square on his nose. A real freaking imbecile, especially when he keeps saying "Oh no big deal, I was squeezed, we'll sort it out". His freaking imbecility is the issue, not any other driver out there.
#Crashtel and #Crashkinnen, the killer ferrari duo. That's one way to help win a Championship, if you can't beat em, knock em out! Fucking clowns. Though I'm 100% there was nothing deliberate, it sure doesn't help when they "ACCIDENTALLY" gain from it!
I agree with what Hamilton and Mercedes are doing currently, put the pressure on them and make a few snide accusations.....maybe they'll watch themselves 1% more from now onwards. Goddamn crash kids.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 9, 2018 3:53:57 GMT
I checked a series of websites and polls on biased and unbiased websites (both for and against drivers) about the penalty situation...
Vettel's Incident:
All of the polls had 70% or higher saying that Vettel's penalty in France wasn't harsh enough and only 10% ish said that the penalty was underserved.
Raikkonen's Incident:
Most of the polls had 50% saying that that Raikkonen's penalty wasn't harsh enough and about 20% said that the penalty was undeserved.
I was very surprised to see that even with Raikkonen getting double the penalty that Vettel got over half the fans think it wasn't harsh enough. Even some of the German, Finnish and German sites agreed.
Yet on reddit everyone's losing their shit saying that it was excessive, the FIA are shit... Etc
I guess the majority of people don't like the fact that after Raikkonen ruined Hamilton's race he still managed to finish 3rd whilst Vettel won. Considering Hamilton was so much faster maybe that's a fair reason.
Experienced drivers like Vettel and Raikkonen should be more aware and shouldn't be making these mistakes.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 9, 2018 6:56:22 GMT
I felt like kicking Raikkonen in the face but I think 10 seconds is fair. He rarely gets into accidents, so 10 seconds is most definitely fair. Just because it was Hamilton at his home race doesn't mean he needs a special penalty.
Grosjean on the other hand needs to be beaten up senseless after yet another dumb screw up and saying "Oh he turned into me". Man I really can't stand this guy, I never came close to this level of dislike with Maldonado. I really hope France loses their next match.
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Post by racechick on Jul 9, 2018 8:50:39 GMT
The Ferraris were the faster car. As seen in quali, it was only a monumental effort by Hamilton that secured that pole.
I don’t agree Lewis lost it at the start, he certainly didn’t help matters, but it was the Raikonnen brain fartthat lost him the race. Even with that he finished 2nd. Ferrari were hurting their front tyres. Lewis could one stop that Vettel couldn’t, he gained massively by that free safety car pit stop. ( yes Lewis gained too)
The penalty was a joke. Not quite as much as the joke of Vettel’s last race but still a joke. I’ve been saying for some time if you hit an innocent Party , the penalty should at least put you behind that innocent Party on the grid. ( stewards to investigate IMMEDIATELY, work out time penalty to put him behind the person he’s hit and penalty must be taken in ( 2, 5, whatever) laps. His penalty as it was, brought him out in front if the person who’s race he spoilt)
Kimi hit Hamilton right in front of our grandstand. Would like to have hit hold of him at that moment. Could not believe it!! That said, Lewis’s drive back to 2nd was a joy to behold. I think he felt he’d let everyone down and was therefore subdued afterwards, but he didn’t let anyone down. He was amazing. Try to post some pics later.
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Post by dogued on Jul 9, 2018 11:49:39 GMT
speaking of penalties.... chalk and cheese moment! Whats-his-name in F1 gets I think a 2 race ban for a deliberate drive into another car (actually his team-mate). I remember a certain F1 driver delibertately driving into another car not too long ago, he only got a stop-go didn't he....
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Post by Liam Catterson on Jul 9, 2018 13:08:37 GMT
That would be Ferrucci. He's a HAAS Development driver. HAAS not looking too good because Steiner is already getting sick of Grosjean and Ferrucci isn't helping. Not just is he ramming into his team-mate deliberately, he took the piss of him on social media (typically he has deleted his tweets but god bless the internet) and he was also requesting a livery to stir controversy with the "Make America Great Again" line apparently. Anywho, this is the deleted tweet.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 9, 2018 13:53:22 GMT
I was beginning to think Steiner is quite a moron but then came across this article.
Haas not at 'tipping point' with Romain Grosjean yet
Haas team principal Guenther Steiner admits he's getting frustrated with Romain Grosjean's tendency to get involved in incidents.
After scoring his first points of the season in Austria, Haas was hopeful it was a turning point in his season. Grosjean -- who had crashed during Friday practice -- collided with teammate Kevin Magnussen on the first lap and then crashed out of the race after a collision with Carlos Sainz in the closing stages. The incident with Magnussen had already relegated both Haas cars down the order at a race it had looked set to be the fourth best team again.
"I wouldn't call this bad luck,'' Steiner said. "It's a little bit frustrating. We all hoped for him that we are going uphill and now we are down again in the dumps and we need to get out of it again. We will get out of it. It's always hard work.
"We should put our hard work into scoring points instead of getting up again. We should be up and trying to hit high but at the moment we are using a lot of energy just trying to get out of the dumps. Always chasing instead of trying to move ahead.''
Grosjean has finished in the points just once in 2018. Mark Thompson/Getty Images Steiner says he will continue to support Grosjean but warns it could reach the 'tipping point' with the Frenchman's future at the team still not sorted for 2019.
"And I will be [supportive] because that is what I need to be because we want to succeed as a team, I don't know where the tipping point is. I am are not there yet but at some stage, as I said before we need to stop losing points., that is the tipping point.
"We can't keep on doing this. We are through half of the season and we must have lost a lot of points because of our own mistakes and that is not actually acceptable.
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This is as far as a team boss can go in order to say "My driver is a fuck up".
Though I think the appropriate response would've been firing this dimwit 2 races ago. It's incredible, so many years in the sport and he is still screwing up AND incapable of accepting his mistake!! His team radio right after crashing into Sainz "He turned into me" was unbelievable, really deserves a massive kick in the face.
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Post by London on Jul 9, 2018 16:15:07 GMT
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Post by RyRy on Jul 9, 2018 16:53:54 GMT
The Ferraris were the faster car. As seen in quali, it was only a monumental effort by Hamilton that secured that pole. Except they weren't faster in quali... Hamilton had the best overall time he just never put a fully clean lap together. Raikkonen: 27.512 + 34.911 + 23.567 = 1:25.990 Vettel: 27.516 + 34.752 + 23.636 = 1:25.904 Hamilton: 27.520 + 34.708 + 23.643 = 1:25.871 Even then Hamilton's best sector times weren't the fastest he could go, look at all of the onboards and you can see how much more Hamilton could have improved and how little Ferrari could have improved. As for the race... Hamilton: - 1:31.254 - Semi-Dirty Air - 26 lap old tyres (should be -7 because of safety car period) - Medium tyres (Are -1 second a lap slower) - Already had one stress cycle through them at start of stint. Vettel: - 1:30.696 - Clean air - 13 lap old tyres (should be -7 because of safety car period) - Soft tyres (Are 1+ second a lap faster) - Hadn't been through a stress cycle as it was the start of the stint. Hamilton was 1+ second a lap faster in the race compared to Ferrari on when they were on the same tyres. If Hamilton was on the soft tyres at the end of the race his potential lap times would have been low 1:30's, which would have matched Mercedes' Friday race run performance where they were 4~ tenths of a lap faster than Ferrari on the long runs. Ferrari were hurting their front tyres. Lewis could one stop that Vettel couldn’t, he gained massively by that free safety car pit stop. ( yes Lewis gained too) If the safety car hadn't have came out, Hamilton had the pace to win because Hamilton had really low degradation. Hamilton didn't really gain anything from the safety cars because all it did is put cars behind and in front (Vettel) on much faster tyres. Sure he was closer to them but was at a huge tyre disadvantage. The pit stop time loss is 19~ seconds, 8 laps before the safety car came out Hamilton had pitted and brought a 28 second gap down to just 22 seconds and could have easily got it below 19 seconds so would of had track position on Vettel as they probably would have pitted Vettel around lap 40~ which would have been enough time for Hamilton to get the gap down to less than 15 seconds and then he would have been in clean air.
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Post by racechick on Jul 9, 2018 18:58:19 GMT
It looked by being at the track that , in quali, the Ferraris were quicker, but I haven’t analysed the Times as you have so that may be incorrect. Lewis did dig really deep for that last lap and was drained after the event and very emotional. I agree with you that Vettel gained more from the safety car than Hamilton......but try arguing that one with certain factions!
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