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Post by Wß on Jul 25, 2018 16:32:53 GMT
Hungaroring First Grand Prix 1986 Number of Laps 70 Circuit Length 4.381KM Race Distance 306.63KM Lap Record 1:19.071 by Michael Schumacher (2004)
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Post by Wß on Jul 25, 2018 16:56:14 GMT
This is going to be an interesting race. First of all the weather, it's hot but there's a high likelihood of rain for both Saturday and Sunday. Depending on when that rain hits, could be a dramatic shift in which team/driver has an advantage. Red Bull will be strong here because there's no super high speed long straight, but Mercedes will also like the relatively medium to high speed corners. Ferrari and their chassis and being able to apply the power out of those many corners will also do well.
We should also see some dedication from Ferrari and others to Sergio Marchionne due to his sudden death after going into a coma post surgery.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 26, 2018 11:24:52 GMT
The race lap record should go this year... 2004 Qualli: 1.19.146 (Schumi) 2004 Race: 1.19.071 (Schumi) 2016 Qualli: 1:16.276 (Vettel) 2016 Race: 1:20.182 (Alonso in a Honda McLaren on lap 59) This sort of track is perfect for the downforce changes on these cars, they should be 2~ seconds faster so the qualli lap record should be smashed and the race lap record should be beaten, it all depends on the weather! This will indeed be a very interesting race! Ferrari: - Turn 1, 2, 6, 7, 12 Mercedes - Turn 4, 8, 9, 10, 11 Anyone: - Turns 3, 5, 13, 14 I don't class turn 3 as a corner personally, it's more of a kink with how much downforce these cars have. Some of the corners that I've given to Mercedes & Ferrari could very easily be Red Bulls strong point too. Turns 13 and 14 will be interesting because Mercedes will be the strongest into turn 13 but when they get right into the middle of the corner it suddenly jumps to Ferrari. If I was to pick a team to win this race... I couldn't! Hamilton could be enough to claim it for Mercedes but being that most overtakes are done into turn 1, Ferrari might take the win here. Another thing that should help Mercedes is the fact that 8, 9, 10, 11 should be their fastest section which sets them up nicely for the overtaking spot of turn 12. If we look at the power unit elements used: I'm expecting to see Mercedes bring an entirely new full set of engine parts to Spa or Monza. It's still looking interesting for the end of the season. Mercedes are looking decent to get away with not many penalties at the end of the season but Renault & Ferrari are looking like they'll incur a couple of penalties which might give the win to Mercedes. If Vettel has an major engine failure in the next few races then I would be pretty confident that Mercedes will get the championship. An entirely fresh engine for Spa & Monza could be huge being that they're power tracks, I suspect Ferrari will hold theirs off for their home race in Monza.
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Post by Wß on Jul 26, 2018 16:13:35 GMT
Hell of a time putting in my forum league picks this week. It's anyone's call.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 26, 2018 18:07:38 GMT
Sauber and Haas have opted to take a new Ferrari PU this weekend. I wonder if Ferrari will do the same before qualli. It has supposedly got a "significant performance boost" rumours suggest it's 40HP
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Post by Wß on Jul 26, 2018 18:53:37 GMT
Rumor mill is abuzz.
This was what was being seen in Germany last week.
Raikkonen is getting a new PU this weekend apparently so it may be Ferrari trying to get the engine in ahead of time before the trick is identified and cut by the FiA. In Hungary the additional power will mean little but this would be a huge gain for Spa and Monza.
One this is for sure, if Ferrari get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, they'll finish the second half of the season behind Red Bull. Hopefully it's all on the up and up. Because the team seem to have a good idea of what's going on. Maybe we see other teams with the same bump showing up in coming races, just like everyone's wings started to flap back in the Red Bull days.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 27, 2018 2:00:52 GMT
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Post by Hammer on Jul 27, 2018 10:54:06 GMT
Man the Mercs have no pace here. All hopes on both Renault engines staying reliable this weekend for a Redbull 1-2. COME ON BULLS.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 27, 2018 12:22:21 GMT
Mercedes - Car looks very very twitchy and unstable on the rear, almost like they don't have enough rear downforce. Ferrari - Looks very stable in S1 and S2 but by the time they get to S3 it looks like their tyres are overheating and they end up twitchy. They might need some cooler weather or some tweaks to keep the tyre temps down. Red Bull - Looks a bit more stable than Ferrari, it doesn't look like they're overheating the tyres based on their S3 stability. HammerThat's not really the case, Red Bull are dominating for sure but they set their car up for this season just to be able to challenge and win at some tracks (Singapore, Hungary, Monaco & Catalunya) where as Mercedes & Ferrari have set their car up to win as much as possible... Mercedes have the highest S1 speedtrap, matched by Force India who are the only Mercedes team that keep managing to match Mercedes in certain speedtraps. Mercedes are 1kph slower than Ferrari in S2 and 3kph slower in S3, but their start-finish speed trap is identical to Ferrari's. Now bare in mind the fact that Mercedes ran their laps on softs (Bottas did do some medium tyre runs but not qualki runs) Ferrari on the other hand set their laptimes on the ultrasoft tyres. The tyre deltas this year are supposedly around 0.7~ apart, so Mercedes can easily match and better Ferrari but Red Bull look out of reach. It all depends on how much Ferrari & Mercedes can turn it up with party mode. However... if we look at Hamilton's best sector times he could have gone 0.175 faster and Vettel could go 0.075 faster, Red Bull on the other hand didn't have any faster sectors outside of their fastest lap... but if you look at Verstappen he was 0.2 faster than Ricciardio in S1 but then Ricciardio was 0.25 faster in S2, they matched eachother in S3.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 27, 2018 13:46:50 GMT
Soft Runs
Hamilton came out and set a 1:17.875 on his first lap, that's 2 tenths slower than the fastest this morning but the difference then was it was cooler and that was after Danny Ric had done plenty of laps of practice. Bottas too, came out and set a good time of 1:18.0.
Both Ferrari cars came out and set a lap time 1 second behind Mercedes.
It's normally quite telling when drivers come out and instantly set very good lap times.
Hamilton did a second lap and matched his lap time with a mistake in S2, Vettel tried a second lap and was still 0.8 slower than Hamilton.
Red Bull come out and straight away set some very nice laps on soft tyres, both matching Hamilton (slightly bettering him)
---- Ultrasoft Runs
Mercedes again struggling with the rear towards the end of the lap, probably overheating them as it was in FP1. Both drivers messed up their S3.
Vettel came out and set a 1:16.8 which is about right, they didn't look like they struggled in the last sector like Mercedes did.
Verstappen comes out and sets an ok first sector (2 tenths slower than Mercedes in S1) but fastest in S2 and S3 and matches Vettel's time.
Raikkonen matched Verstappen in S1, still 2 tenths slower than Mercedes was a tenth slower than Verstappen in S2 and was fastest overall in S3.
Ricciardo comes out and matches Verstappen and Raikkonen in S1, betters Raikkoknen in S2 but is slower than Verstappen in S3
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Post by Wß on Jul 27, 2018 14:33:16 GMT
It's a Ferrari weekend, not so much because of their power but because the Mercs can't keep their US tires alive for an entire lap with the heat on track. Red Bull are down after sector 1 and their speed through sector 2 is just not enough to make up for the gap.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 27, 2018 16:49:35 GMT
All hopes on a RB getting a fast start from 2nd place or smth, Kimi is sure to screw up Q3 somehow....so hoping for Verslappen the Ferrari killer starts alongside Vettel.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 28, 2018 11:19:57 GMT
This is gonna be a painful quali unless you're a Ferrari fan.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 28, 2018 11:44:44 GMT
Well... the long runs yesterday were fairly interesting.
Ferrari normally push their car quite a lot on the race pace and actually get an accurate and representative long run, where as Red Bull and Mercedes both run "average" lap times and throw in some fast laps at the end of the stint to show how fast they can actually go.
Ferrari: - Ultrasoft: 22.434 (22.065 towards end of stint, Vettel) - Ultrasoft: 22.083 (21.997 first lap of stint, Raikkonen) - Soft: 20.908 (20.780 towards end of stint) - Medium: 22.026 (21.584 towards end of stint, Vettel)
Mercedes: - Ultrasoft: 22.667 (22.609 towards end of stint, Hamilton) - Ultrasoft: 22.735 (22.679 towards end of stint, Bottas) - Soft: 21.291 (20.466 towards end of stint, Hamilton) - Soft: 21.301 (20.928 towards end of stint, Bottas)
Red Bull: - Ultrasoft: 21.971 (21.637 towards end of stint, Ricciardo) - Ultrasoft: 22.351 (22.469 towards end of stint, Verstappen) - Soft: 21.358 (20.987 towards end of stint, Ricciardio) - Soft: 21.315 (20.797 towards end of stint, Verstappen)
Based on the above, Red Bull looked the fasted on long runs for the ultrasofts but Mercedes looked a little bit faster than Ferrari.
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Today Mercedes still had the same issues they were having yesterday with an unstable rear, even early on in the lap their car looks very unstable. This will hurt them a lot in qualifying but shouldn't be as much of an issue in the race but this is a track where qualifying is super important just like Monaco.
Mercedes could match Ferrari but the Ferrari looked way more stable so I'm sure they can do even faster laps.
The weird thing is that Red Bull looked to be way off the pace today
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Post by RyRy on Jul 28, 2018 13:00:51 GMT
RAIN RAIN RAIN, WOOT WOOT WOOT!
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Post by Hammer on Jul 28, 2018 13:22:41 GMT
COME ON MAKE IT RAIN!
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Post by Hammer on Jul 28, 2018 14:04:13 GMT
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Post by RyRy on Jul 28, 2018 14:05:48 GMT
Ahh, that sweet rain So, Hamilton annihilated Ferrari and Red Bull in the wet, they were able to get the wet tyres up to temperature fast enough and both drivers set very good laps. Hamilton even had a mistake in S2. I wonder if Ferrari can't harvest their battery / get the turbo boost that they normally do in the dry... it would make sense because in Germany it was in qualli on their hot laps, at the start and after safety cars... Red Bull fucked up twice with Ricciardio they got away with the first mistake but got caught with the second one..
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Post by Hammer on Jul 28, 2018 14:15:13 GMT
So we really need good starts tomorrow and there is a chance for victory. Let the Ferraris burn their tyres in their wake and then push like mad when they need to. Hope they take a page out of Monaco 2013 when Brawn made both Mercs control the pace at almost a ridiculously slow speed and guaranteed a Merc victory.
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Post by Wß on Jul 28, 2018 14:31:46 GMT
Did you guys catch Hamilton's comments about working together tomorrow at the start to keep the red boys behind? If they get to turn four with a Merc 1-2 then it's going to be theirs to lose. Ferrari's starts have been so good, and in the case of Vettel too good when hitting Bottas.
The starts and the first round of pit stops... this is after all Monaco without the walls.
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