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Post by RyRy on Sept 2, 2015 22:28:10 GMT
So, you've probably seen and heard about it a lot over the last 6 months about the refugees in Calais trying to get into the UK to start a new life, remember at the moment in Calais there is about 5,000 people trying to get into the UK. That isn't a huge amount of people considering the UK population is over 64,000,000 people.
The story is much much bigger than just that though, all across Europe there are many many people feeling war-torn zones like Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Syria and many other places... should we be declining them safe travel, should we not be helping them?
I personally, feel that Europe, N.A.T.O and any and all countries that CAN help should be forced to help under the Geneva convention (maybe a modification to the convention?) that shares the burden of refugees seeking asylum so not just one area of the world because no one deserves to live in fear of their life every day.
Setup a global fund and build a decent, liveable and safe environment(s) in unused areas of certain countries and build a "new city" for those that need help?
Obviously Germany has really made it much much more noticeable by them opening their boarders and saying they will accept any Syrian refugee, the only country in Europe to do such a thing.
What do you think the solution is to resolve it, to help the refugees and to be fair to all involved?
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Post by racechick on Sept 2, 2015 22:44:31 GMT
I don't iknow the answer but the situation is a nightmare for all concerned and will get a lot worse.
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Post by RyRy on Sept 2, 2015 23:08:09 GMT
I don't iknow the answer but the situation is a nightmare for all concerned and will get a lot worse. Based on current trends within two weeks or so the situation will be "worse" than the WW2 aftermath. |
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Post by LRW on Sept 3, 2015 6:13:52 GMT
Just don't look at the image in the independent today if you are easily upset.
I'm mainly looking at RC here. But I suppose any parent might struggle with it.
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Post by Wß on Sept 3, 2015 10:44:12 GMT
Don't know about the UK and EU but in America the same politicians that create the problems with hawkish war attitudes are the ones that scream the loudest against immigrants. As a matter of fact, they like it when we use the word migrant and refugee synonymously when it's not.
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Post by RyRy on Sept 3, 2015 15:50:41 GMT
Just don't look at the image in the independent today if you are easily upset. I'm mainly looking at RC here. But I suppose any parent might struggle with it. I unfortunately saw that yesterday and for some stupid ass reason the news was showing it on TV, get some fucking respect media -_- Don't know about the UK and EU but in America the same politicians that create the problems with hawkish war attitudes are the ones that scream the loudest against immigrants. As a matter of fact, they like it when we use the word migrant and refugee synonymously when it's not. The problem with America, Canada and even Australia is they are all first world countries that have the capability and finances to help with the crisis yet because they are so distanced from it they aren't helping, the US especially when they cause/make some of it worse. If you're involved in any way with the wars then you should help with the fallout. The migrant crisis is mixing with the refugee crisis and it's become very blurred, you get many migrants trying to claim asylum because they know it has a higher chance of getting you into x country. Germany is expecting to take 80,000 refugees over the next month, that's a huge toll for any one country to take. Sure Germany are one of the richest in Europe but still, it should be shared based on capita percentages or by who CAN help. They also at the same time need to educate those migrants and refugees on safe sex, a huge problem is the fact they have high birth rates because of the high mortality rate, which just doesn't exist in the first world countries so their survival rate and population increases dramatically. |
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Post by Wß on Sept 3, 2015 17:18:21 GMT
There's no easy solution, and to be clear I'm on the side of doing right for humanity. The US has 11 million undocumented Mexican immigrants and Justin Bieber.
The problem here as you say RyRy is there there's a lot of displacement that was caused by not just war but economic policies. we can all do better, but what often winds up being the case is the example here where Donald Trump, a billionaire is running on a campaign convincing the uneducated blue collar workers that the reason he's rich and they're struggling is because there's 11 million undocumented Mexicans most of which are working for less than minimum wage.
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Post by LRW on Sept 3, 2015 19:23:10 GMT
Part of the problem in the UK is, the lines have been blurred by the media. They continually report on a section of immigrants, mainly from Eastern Europe, that come to the UK for the benefits system. And that blurs the lines with true asylum seekers crossing the Mediterranean in 5ft dingys as they are escaping just to stay alive. You get a man seeing his wife, 5yr old and 3 yr old drown in front of him. And then you get over privileged cunts like this guy from UKIP... Ok. The douche has deleted his tweet and removed his picture from Twitter. Thank god for screenshots......  |
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Post by RyRy on Sept 3, 2015 21:09:22 GMT
Yeah, media is always a bitch when it comes to news it's always messed up "for the story" not for what it actually is. Wow, what an asshole! I do hope someone pies him and eggs him and pushes him into the sea  |
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Post by racechick on Sept 7, 2016 19:12:50 GMT
So here we are a year on. The migrant crisis, as was predicted, has got a whole lot worse.
Merkel unilaterally invited migrants and refugees into the eurozone without any mandate from the other 27 members
She ignored Shengan and she ignored Dublin.
She had no systems in place to process people and decide who was a genuine refugee and she had no plan on how to deal with just causes and non just causes.
She allowed queue jumping by the rich and healthy young men at the expense of women and children of poorer means.
She had no screening system for dangerous people ( criminals and terrorists)
She ignored her intelligence advisors who one despair of the situation.
And now.
We have the mess that is Calais.
She is paying that inhumane Erdogan to hold refugees and migrants THAT SHE INVITED in Turkey.
She is shipping back refugees and migrants THAT SHE INVITED to Greece! Greece! The country Germany and the EU shat all over ( another story , coming soon)
She has caused the rise of far right groups all over the EU.
She has just been beaten into third place in a regional election . The AFD beat her.
Marine Le Penn is more poplar in France than Merkel is in Germany.
In Italy the five star movement are on equal popularity with the current government .
I havent the even started on the Eastern European countries.
It's a complete joke! This was so predictable and it could have been handled so much better. Merkel is the leader if the most powerful country in the EU and she acted with emotion not intellect.
Why didn't she set up refugee camps under UN control on the Syrian border?
Why didn't she prioritise the vulnerable?
Why didn't she have processing systems ( outside the EU) in place?
But no. She made the big gesture she screwed up Europe and she hasn't helped genuine refugees.
If she even stands for election next year she's unlikely to win. What then? AFD?
Well done Merkel. Well done EU.
I guess that's considered a racist bigoted attitude. Well the loosers here are the genuine refugees and the Greek people who want to help but have their livelihood and lifestyle ruined. And the winners are the right wing parties throughout the EU,
The EU is finished for so many reasons, this is just one of them.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 8, 2016 13:49:03 GMT
I see a lot of hate for Merkel on the interwebs. Germans hate her too. It seems she's trying to live up a bit too much to her first name....at the expense of her country.
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Post by Wß on Sept 8, 2016 15:24:26 GMT
The road to hell... If there had been unity and a plan and an urgency perhaps it wouldn't have come to this. But there wasn't. Clearly Merkel didn't execute well but to blame someone for acting is turning the blind eye to those that are comfortable with inaction.
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Post by racechick on Sept 8, 2016 20:30:29 GMT
Wasn't the whole point of the EU to act as one ? Not Unilaterally? But this is disregarded at will by those wielding the power. Sometimes inaction is better than foolhardy thoughtless action
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Post by racechick on Sept 10, 2016 18:27:53 GMT
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Post by Wß on Sept 12, 2016 1:40:58 GMT
It's the profile of everyone of every wealthy donor supporting Hillary.
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