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Post by Wß on Apr 9, 2017 20:30:19 GMT
I would have done so much better in the pool were it not for Bottas and his hooning.
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Post by Wß on Apr 9, 2017 20:42:02 GMT
Nothing to see here, entirely legal. Fucking everyone on the grid should line up like that next week. Embarrasing, at least it wasn't Hamilton, we wouldn't have heard the end of it all season long.
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Post by LewEngBridewell on Apr 9, 2017 21:35:16 GMT
Loved that race, plenty of excitement there. I absolutely knew we'd see much more overtaking at this venue than at Melbourne, that was always going to be the case.
And so much of it was PROPER, hard fought overtaking too.
Great stuff.
The battle between Mercedes and Ferrari is real, and I hope it continues to see-saw all season long. I love having more than one team capable of winning. McLaren's race was so frustrating, especially as, once again, they were running in the points DESPITE having by far the worst engine in the field.
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Post by Wß on Apr 10, 2017 1:09:22 GMT
I personally think Verstappen is the real deal. He's green, he's young, he's arrogant, it's comes with the territory of being 19 and at the top of a global sport. But man I wish he'd keep his mouth shut and spoke with his driving more. He's very similart to Vettel in the car, always complaining when things don't go his way. Worse since nothing is ever his fault as we saw last year moving under braking.
His complaining about having Grossjean move over was just painful and I was wishing he's just get on with it and drive. I was reminded of this, because at a time when Vettel, Hamilton and others were saying it was going to be difficult to overtake, Max was being 19. STFU and Drive Max, you've got the skill.
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Post by LRW on Apr 10, 2017 5:51:00 GMT
I would have done so much better in the pool were it not for Bottas and his hooning. I missed this in the race. Wtf was he doing? Ok fair enough, I'll forgive him for losing it on a damp track when warming the tyres (even though it was a complete rookie move) - But he ended up recovering it, was pointing the right way, and then he bloody spins it again?! It was like watching me on the PS4 with the driving aids turns off !! Bloody ameture season.
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Post by Hammer on Apr 10, 2017 5:52:14 GMT
He is a real brat. Being over a second behind the Haas, he was whining non stop about turbulent air when his teammate was practically kissing his arse through the corners. If I were his engineer I would've seriously lost my temper and told him to shut the fuck up.
But as a team boss, when you consider his age and what he's done so far....all that brat quality is most definitely a tolerable liability.
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Post by dogued on Apr 10, 2017 11:46:45 GMT
Nothing to see here, entirely legal. Fucking everyone on the grid should line up like that next week. Embarrasing, at least it wasn't Hamilton, we wouldn't have heard the end of it all season long. It's insane, but there is NOTHING in any FIA rule book that stipulates how much of the car has to be inside the starting box. I've seen plenty of acute angles and maybe a tyre width to the left or right, but nothing quite like that. Still, Seb likes to experiment in China... he overtook 2 cars there in the pit entry under safety car just fine last year by using that loophole.
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Post by Wß on Apr 10, 2017 12:06:25 GMT
That's not entirely true. I can't say for sure whether there is or isn't so I'd have to trust those that know the regulations. What I do know for sure is that there's been instances (at least twice that I can recall) in the last few year where they've specifically told drivers that they must remain in their box and not do something like Vettel did exactly due to gaining and advantage. Esp when being on the dirty line.
So they have control over what they'll tolerate. Like I said, imagine if the entire grid lined up whichever way they wanted the way Vettel did? Would that be tolerated? They reviewed it so clearly they thought it was out of line, they didn't do anything about it because it would have been bad for business.
Dollars to donuts they clarify the rule by next weekend.
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Post by dogued on Apr 10, 2017 12:40:34 GMT
I spent a large part of tonight trawling through the FIA sporting and technical regulations, as well as those from other categories and there isn't anything referencing placement within the box, the closest is that drivers must remain stationary and not cross their line prior to the start. I've read that when something similar was done previously (I want to say Max in 2014 but not 100%), Vettel is rumored to have brought it up with Charlie in the following race drivers briefing where he was told it was fine as long as the majority of the car was within the boundary and it hadn't crossed the front line. This anecdote, factual or not, seems like something Vettel would remember and use, especially on a damp track where starting on rubber marks or lines isn't going to give the best traction. As I mentioned, he remembered a previous race where a driver overtook in pit entry and used it, along with his knowledge of the rules, to great effect last year. He knew you can't pass on track under a safety car, but you can once you have crossed the pit entry SC line prior to the actual pit entry, where you can only do so if the other car is stationary in it's pit.
As for the review, I saw it flash up on the screen but can find no mention of it in any of the stewards notes posted online, which is odd as they post everything they officially review no matter the outcome. Hell, there are 2 notes about Ricciardo missing the Anthem!
Another forum had an interesting idea, once you ignore the fact that one of the stewards was an ex Ferrari driver, perhaps due to the virtual safety car deployed so soon they deemed no advantage was to be had and let it stand.
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Post by dogued on Apr 11, 2017 4:16:44 GMT
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Post by Hammer on Apr 11, 2017 5:07:57 GMT
Hamilton says another issue was raised at the drivers meeting around Ricciardo lining up with two wheels out of his grid slot before the start of the Japanese Grand Prix, something Mercedes had been told was not allowed. However, Charlie Whiting put it down to "common sense" as Ricciardo had been on the side of the grid with a damp patch.
That was a comment which just made me want to throw something at Whiting. "Common sense because of a damp patch"? So suddenly the grid box doesn't matter anymore because of a wet patch nearby? Give me a break, your grid slot is your grid slot, doesn't matter if there's sand or gravel or whatever on it, it doesn't excuse you to avoid that patch because you qualified on it!
With farts like Whiting on board, you can expect ridiculous scenes like the above to happen. Vettel should've been reprimanded at the very least.
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Post by Hammer on Apr 11, 2017 5:11:57 GMT
"How can he be behind us...unbelievable".
Fonzi using every opportunity to convince everyone out there he's a blameless victim stuck in a bad car and deserves sooooo much better, I mean how can Bottas be behind me??? Why does he have that car??? Why not me??
Sly little snake.
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Post by Wß on Apr 11, 2017 11:54:44 GMT
The actual rule is: I think a clearer definition of "within" would be nice. Or just draw a line across the track at each starting point and they can pick where they want to line up. And that's why you have to take issue with what Vettel did. Because it's a box and it's a box for a reason and that wasn't an angle as drivers often do, he had half his car out of the box. If he didn't think he'd gain and advantage, he wouldn't have done it. So not being at a disadvantage *is* gaining and advantage. What's the difference between that and the dirty side of the track?
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Post by dogued on Apr 11, 2017 23:34:17 GMT
The actual rule is: I think a clearer definition of "within" would be nice. Or just draw a line across the track at each starting point and they can pick where they want to line up. And that's why you have to take issue with what Vettel did. Because it's a box and it's a box for a reason and that wasn't an angle as drivers often do, he had half his car out of the box. If he didn't think he'd gain and advantage, he wouldn't have done it. So not being at a disadvantage *is* gaining and advantage. What's the difference between that and the dirty side of the track? 100%. I not only think it was against the "spirit" of the rules, but it looked terrible on TV. If Vettel had gone into turn 1 in first place, we would be hearing a huge outcry. As it was, I'm certain that position enabled him to stay ahead of Bottas into turn 1.
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Post by Hammer on Apr 12, 2017 3:49:39 GMT
They need to clarify this ASAP like Horner suggested. I don't get the logic of just letting him go with nothing, imagine 20 cars on either side of the slot like Vettel, it would've looked like a joke. BTW I just realized, that dice between Vettel and Ricciardo...that was like Vettel and Webber at Turkey all over again. Vettel was squeezed, only this time he made perfect contact with Ricciardo or else he would've been pitched into another spin. The difference between a zero overtake and a hero.
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Post by Frontrunner on Apr 12, 2017 6:21:23 GMT
I would have done so much better in the pool were it not for Bottas and his hooning. I missed this in the race. Wtf was he doing? Ok fair enough, I'll forgive him for losing it on a damp track when warming the tyres (even though it was a complete rookie move) - But he ended up recovering it, was pointing the right way, and then he bloody spins it again?! It was like watching me on the PS4 with the driving aids turns off !! Bloody ameture season. Too true, looks like a noob playing a f1 game without TC. First thing is go to "options" then "driving aids" then put traction control on "full" problem solved. if only Valtteri had that option then and there.
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Post by Wß on Apr 16, 2017 10:58:24 GMT
Dollars to donuts they clarify the rule by next weekend. So this weekend you'll be penalized if you park your car not in the box... What an embarrassment.
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Post by Hammer on Apr 16, 2017 12:38:23 GMT
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