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Post by the2ndcoming on Apr 20, 2015 15:43:56 GMT
I think, if you're either a young or reasonably new fan to the sport, it's a nice addition to the spectacle. Think of porn without the moaning and groaning. Just wouldn't be the sa...um...right, what were we talking about again?
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Post by Wß on Apr 20, 2015 15:50:53 GMT
Think of porn without the moaning and groaning. That would be German porn.
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Post by Hammer on Apr 20, 2015 15:58:35 GMT
I think, if you're either a young or reasonably new fan to the sport, it's a nice addition to the spectacle. Think of porn without the moaning and groaning. Just wouldn't be the sa...um...right, what were we talking about again? Pron without the (women) sounds isn't pron.
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Post by LRW on Apr 20, 2015 18:59:00 GMT
I think, if you're either a young or reasonably new fan to the sport, it's a nice addition to the spectacle. Think of porn without the moaning and groaning. Just wouldn't be the sa...um...right, what were we talking about again? Pron without the (women) sounds isn't pron. Unless you are into gay porn.
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Post by RyRy on Apr 20, 2015 20:30:16 GMT
You realise that the titanium skid blocks are more than just for the appearance, they have aero benefits, safety benefits and is lighter and stronger.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Apr 20, 2015 21:00:44 GMT
Think of porn without the moaning and groaning. That would be German porn.
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Post by LRW on Apr 20, 2015 21:00:52 GMT
......and they make pretty sparks in a night race.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Apr 20, 2015 22:11:51 GMT
A little free time amusement in Bahrain between Champs. Roscoe
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Post by Frontrunner on Apr 21, 2015 3:24:12 GMT
Frontrunner, I only partly agree with you. I know Renault screwed up, that's clear. Apparently though they went in a route that was not Renaults choice because of pressure from Red Bull. The inherent nature of the cylinder issues requiring a redesing now won't come for quite a bit. At least it can be fixed on the reliability reason clause without the need of tokens. I do also think that Renault bears an equal part of the blame. Similarly to the fragile Pirelli tire issue a couple of years back, you have to take responsibility for your design and what you put out there when your logo is on it. No one else. Whatever the issue, 3 out of 4 Renault engines "blewed up good" yesterday. I still think Renault should pack up and leave now though. No amount of remaining engine tokens could possible save them now. They are that far off BHP wise that its a lost cause already for this engine era. So Renault should bail out now and wait for the next gen engine regulations in F1. Lets face it, this is the Mercedes PU era and Renault ain't got a chance in hell of reeling them in.
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Post by racechick on Apr 21, 2015 6:41:27 GMT
Frontrunner, I only partly agree with you. I know Renault screwed up, that's clear. Apparently though they went in a route that was not Renaults choice because of pressure from Red Bull. The inherent nature of the cylinder issues requiring a redesing now won't come for quite a bit. At least it can be fixed on the reliability reason clause without the need of tokens. I do also think that Renault bears an equal part of the blame. Similarly to the fragile Pirelli tire issue a couple of years back, you have to take responsibility for your design and what you put out there when your logo is on it. No one else. Whatever the issue, 3 out of 4 Renault engines "blewed up good" yesterday. I still think Renault should pack up and leave now though. No amount of remaining engine tokens could possible save them now. They are that far off BHP wise that its a lost cause already for this engine era. So Renault should bail out now and wait for the next gen engine regulations in F1. Lets face it, this is the Mercedes PU era and Renault ain't got a chance in hell of reeling them in. No they haven't got a deal of chance this year, but they were second up last year and won the four before that. That's a pretty good batting average. And the talk of engine change is as early as 2017. If they learn from their mistakes and get right back in the game in 2017, THATS still the best batting average over any other team including Mercedes over the last seven years. Not fair to write them of yet. Teams go through cycles of greatness, and off times, I guess so do engine manufacturers.
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Post by racechick on Apr 21, 2015 6:43:12 GMT
You realise that the titanium skid blocks are more than just for the appearance, they have aero benefits, safety benefits and is lighter and stronger. I knew that ( whistling smilie) it's not just because I'm so young that I like the Sparks.
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Post by Wß on Apr 21, 2015 11:57:51 GMT
Frontrunner, I only partly agree with you. I know Renault screwed up, that's clear. Apparently though they went in a route that was not Renaults choice because of pressure from Red Bull. The inherent nature of the cylinder issues requiring a redesing now won't come for quite a bit. At least it can be fixed on the reliability reason clause without the need of tokens. I do also think that Renault bears an equal part of the blame. Similarly to the fragile Pirelli tire issue a couple of years back, you have to take responsibility for your design and what you put out there when your logo is on it. No one else. Whatever the issue, 3 out of 4 Renault engines "blewed up good" yesterday. I still think Renault should pack up and leave now though. No amount of remaining engine tokens could possible save them now. They are that far off BHP wise that its a lost cause already for this engine era. So Renault should bail out now and wait for the next gen engine regulations in F1. Lets face it, this is the Mercedes PU era and Renault ain't got a chance in hell of reeling them in. I think you're off base. The investment is done, it's not like they've gotten things wildly wrong, they're ahead of Honda so should Honda be walking away as well? After the mid year break Renault will be at the same power levels as Ferrari, mark my words, maybe even sooner.
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Post by Wß on Apr 21, 2015 12:00:25 GMT
You realise that the titanium skid blocks are more than just for the appearance, they have aero benefits, safety benefits and is lighter and stronger. That's a load of malerky the Bernie probably made up. Skid plates have always been there. This year they made them bigger so they'd purposely drag more and they made them out of titanium to increase the spark show. They serve no other purpose than to keep the car from bottoming out.
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Post by Wß on Apr 21, 2015 13:54:12 GMT
The FiA updates these before each GP, so it doesn't reflect Daniel Ricciardo's dramatic explosion and who knows what else we'll see in Spain.
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Post by LRW on Apr 21, 2015 14:12:37 GMT
I didnt realise the Williams had been so reliable.
I dont know what made me think that...
Edit: OR the Lotus....
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Post by Hammer on Apr 21, 2015 15:35:01 GMT
Hhaha Manor stuck with the POS Ferrari engine of last year...how much are they paying for those?
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Apr 21, 2015 17:27:46 GMT
The ferraris are both on their second ICEs, maybe a sign of a change in spec in China
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Post by Wß on Apr 21, 2015 18:16:04 GMT
Each PU had to last five races, so reliability is going to become a factor, especially for teams that are utilizing their tokens over the season.
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Post by Frontrunner on Apr 22, 2015 0:45:21 GMT
I still think Renault should pack up and leave now though. No amount of remaining engine tokens could possible save them now. They are that far off BHP wise that its a lost cause already for this engine era. So Renault should bail out now and wait for the next gen engine regulations in F1. Lets face it, this is the Mercedes PU era and Renault ain't got a chance in hell of reeling them in. I think you're off base. The investment is done, it's not like they've gotten things wildly wrong, they're ahead of Honda so should Honda be walking away as well? After the mid year break Renault will be at the same power levels as Ferrari, mark my words, maybe even sooner. Can't see Renault catching Ferrari in terms of power IMO, though i do hope i'm wrong on that. As for Honda, I think I can build up a better PU in my backyard shed.
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Post by RyRy on Apr 22, 2015 1:10:03 GMT
To be fair the Mercedes engine in total is super reliable, the Force India really isn't optimized for this Engine so we can kind of ignore their stats but even including them it's only Hulkenburg that is the odd one out.
It's kind of expected for there to be something break now and again, Hamilton has had one thing go so far but looks good elsewhere.
It's going to be crazy by the middle of the season... based on how it's going at the moment all the renault cars and honda will be taking penalties every other race, might give Manor and Honda a chance to get lucky at some races.
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