F1 strategy group

Wow! What is this?

this must be a joke of some sort, or an agreement to avoid the 'farce' headlines we had straight after the meeting. Probably this will be cancelled before it gets anywhere. The clue are the headlines saying its definetely coming back when the reality is that it still has at least 2 major hurdles to clear.
Its the same old bernie cheap trick, the first headlines said nothing major was decided, no budget gap and implied this was negative.
Suddenly a new headline that detracts everyone and gets people debating the hows.

In the small print of the media report it says the 100kg fuel limit is to be retained AND the fuel flow limit of 100. So whats refueling gonna do? you still cant go flat out on sprints between refuelling cos you still have the same amount left in the pit. So you can start lighter, so can everyone else to exactly match the tyre stops.

jokers

They're saying they also target to improve laptimes by 6-7 seconds on average with wider profile tyres and aero enhancements.

I kinda like everything except the dumb refueling bit. My favourite modern day cars were those during 2004-2006 with all their aero gizmos, so it would be cool to have some of that back.

thejudge13.com/2015/05/15/formula-ones-future-blueprint/#comments
More speculation...

www.fia.com/news/f1-strategy-group-press-release

For 2016:

• Free choice of the two dry tyre compounds (out of four) that each team can use during the race weekend

For 2017:

• Faster cars: 5 to 6 seconds drop in laptimes through aerodynamic rules evolution, wider tyres and reduction of car weight
• Reintroduction of refuelling (maintaining a maximum race fuel allowance)
• Higher revving engines and increased noise
• More aggressive looks

A few other measures have also been discussed but require further investigation before they can be implemented:

• A global reflection on race weekend format
• Measures to make starts only activated by the driver without any outside assistance

Giving them more choice on tyre is an interesting move, it would sure make things a little more gambley for some of the backmarking teams which could be interesting but in general I don't think it would make any difference.

I'm very much in support for reintroduction of refueling as long as it is safe and there is a stricter limit on how fast the fuel can go into the car. If you wanted to spice it up more you could give teams 5-10 wildcard refueling tokens where they can refuel at a much higher rate to strategically beat other teams. (I don't want this)

I would love to see a much more aggressive, futuristic appearance to the cars just like some of the team examples look like.

I'm not in favour of higher revving engines or increased noise because I actually like them being quieter, it's nice to hear the crowds and the tyres squeal. Noise pollution is more of a problem than people think so it's the right direction to go down making things quieter.

Definately would like to see the measures to make it so drivers can start their car with a starter, sure it makes cars heavier but it means if someone has a problem and stalls their car on track they can re-start it.

Not sure what they mean by global reflection on race weekend format, are they trying to consolidate the sessions, are they trying to get more media involvment, are they looking to extend the races or qualifying or simply move practice 3 closer to qualifying (30 mins apart?)



I'm glad the 5th engine has been rejected as that was rather stupid, however I still think McLaren should get a 5th Honda engine but only for this year. No other new engine providers should get this if they joined the sport.

Looks like they're trying to clamp down on mid-season changes to rules because those who got winter testing correct ultimately are losing out for doing a good job.

Only a few more seconds to go then

75 Kg fuel tank would be better so they could split strategies. Half size tank would force everyone into the same choice. The other factor that we'd lose is these 2 second pit stops which are pretty damned nerve wreckingly enjoyable.

yeah I went on a real ramble around those numbers lol

Your numbers are established and credible for the weight cost of a car starting with full tanks, as the weight comes down the speed increases. With half tanks the gain (of halving the tank size) can only be counted in the first half of the race as the second half will be exactly the same as before.
So the previous average cost per lap over the race of starting with full tanks per lap in the current format that they normally quote is over a full race, so it wouldnt be exactly accurate to take 50kg off now and extrapolate over the whole race - because the saving now is only in the first half of the race.

Put it in simplest terms the speed increase by halving the tank can best be defined as the average lap time over the second half of the race with full tank cars x 2 to get the speed of the car with half tanks. i.e. with full tanks the first half was slow, second half was faster. The new half tank format will be as fast in both halves of the races as the old format second half, but some use the ave lap decrease and times by total laps

so as some are saying that the old average lap time will decrease by x amount by removing 50kg of weight averaged over the race are likely estimating a higher speed increase than will actually happen

I was on a few bevys when i posted so my numbers are probably skewdif, in fact I could even be wrong now but I dont think the real speed increase will be whats being sold - the cars will be faster in the first half like they were before in the second half, so aint gonna add much to the 6 seconds a lap cut they saying - for the cost and hassle of refuelling

Hey hey hey give us the math!