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Post by ang44 on May 20, 2015 12:55:27 GMT
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Post by Wß on May 22, 2015 12:25:12 GMT
I took the survey. Interesting the questions being asked and it shows how out of touch the sport has become when it asks the question; would you quit watching the sport if team X left.
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Post by Wß on May 22, 2015 13:53:41 GMT
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Post by racechick on May 22, 2015 14:13:44 GMT
I did that survey, it takes a long time .....and some of the questions, I could see what they were getting at, but they weren't asking me what I wanted to tell them, and there was nowhere to put what you wanted to tell them. Still Ive done it.
Who did you guys chose as your3 best ever drivers?
And your three current favourite drivers?
for my best ever I picked Hamilton, Senna and Clark( didn't know whether to choose Clark or Fangio)
And for my current 3 favourites I chose Lewis, Max and Roman. Again, third choice was difficult. I asumed here it was the ones you liked most not the ones you think are the best. Though Lewis would fit in both categories (dreamy on a cloud smilie)
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Post by Hammer on May 22, 2015 14:20:01 GMT
I did the survey too. Near the end I was starting to hope for a question like "Would you want Ferrari to leave F1" so I could say HELL yeah.
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Post by Wß on May 29, 2015 11:43:09 GMT
As if anyone could possibly build a car in that time frame let alone put an entire team together. Sounds like someone is pushing for a guinea pig customer for a tier 1 team. Anyone seriously considering getting into the sport has plenty of teams that would put put themselves up for sale easily enough.
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Post by Frontrunner on Jun 9, 2015 8:04:32 GMT
I did the survey too. Near the end I was starting to hope for a question like "Would you want Ferrari to leave F1" so I could say HELL yeah. A few years ago I would agree with you Ham especially when there was serious talk about them pulling the pin, but now that the current state of F1 is rather grim and the future of F1 is a big unknown, Ferrari needs to be there for the good of the sport. I'm sure Renault won't be around for long and I'm sure deep down Honda must be regretting making a return to F1. Honestly can't see why any manufacturer would want to try there hand at F1 in its current state. All I know is the sport needs big changes, the cars are no longer the "beasts" they once were and the racing is well... its no longer racing but more of car management and getting the car home in tact with enough fuel, tyre performance and engine longevity. F**king weak. Really hoping the sport will turn around in 2017, really hoping.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jun 9, 2015 11:05:52 GMT
Its funny how F1 just stumbles around in a cyclical manner. Only recently we were told F1 needs to be the pinnacle of technology and how sad it was that LMP1 was out tech-ing it. Then we were told it was a new era of cerebral driver/engineer/manager genius crossbreeds (where you know who would flounder as the 'better' F1 was not about sheer speed or talent, but about education and diligence) Hahaha, now the same ones have decided - just after the Merc/Lewis superteam have mastered the regs to within an inch of (everyone elses) life, oh guess what - its too advanced, too much tech, needs to be simpler, back to V8s, back to refuelling with 3 sprints a race, too much management, diligence or edcuation needed, we really want to be more like Nascar than LMP1, lets the drivers act more and think less - yeah lets have a survey to confirm what we have told everyone they want this time round F1 has always been a racing anomaly - the only thing that put it on its own fantasy world level was the morally bankrupt slush fund from the tobacco industry (which Ferrari still shamefully clings onto)It was ALWAYS the handful of exceptional driver talents that sustained the interest and its no different now, th rest is just filler, all they have to do is keep drivers like Lewis and Max in the best cars and thats over 50% of what sustains interest Really hoping the sport will turn around in 2017, really hoping.
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Post by Wß on Jun 9, 2015 12:34:18 GMT
The reality is that there would be a far bigger impact should the F1 circus go green than the F1 engines themselves. The hybrid power recovery technology is here to stay, what's preventing these cars from being the beasts they could be is;
1) fuel and fuel flow being restricted 2) tires that don't do well when following another car closely
The sport isn't in a shambles, the engines aren't wrong, the isn't too much or too little money, races ten years ago weren't better, and actually ten years ago we'd just gotten past one of the most dominant eras in the sport (also aided by artifice)
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jun 9, 2015 14:22:01 GMT
I agree, the engines themselves are not the problem, makers have always had to turn up with new engines, some did, others goofed. The green aspect is a muddle, if its truly the focus then they should be fully electric or fully non ICe and see what happens. If its meant to actually help the environment there are much more direct ways of doing that like growing trees for every time they shift tonnes round the world by plane
The sport always had the independent/manufacturer dichotomy. It was always about attracting manufacturers to sustain the game for the independents, the manufacturers came, they went and as long as they are here things will revolve around them. Its they who will decide the fate, an Audi is worth 20 manors.
The fuel efficiency is one thing but the restriction on fuel flow is another. Best to give each team 100 units per hour flow rate and allow them as much as they want, or give them 100 units for the race and allow them as much power as they can generate from all sources with that.
And CVC take too much money, there should be a fixed % that stays in the sport with the CVC profit a fixed %. Afterall they are the worst and most usurious type of silent partner - the ugly side of capitalism, they add nothing beyond their original leveraged investment. And that goes for FOM too, they should have a fixed % for management, say 10% each for FOM and CVC and the rest spread amonsgt the teams according to finishing position. No special needs handouts
But its easy to try find silly plastic fixes, by asking the viewers who have to be guided in what they really want. Its like nature or karma, these things hav a way of resolving themselves, and F1 is likely to collapse before the phoenix part, the beauty is that for most fans, it wont matter an ounce because we will still get to see Lewis, Max etc racing in a top series without any break period - history tells us this.
let F1 collapse, long live the next top flight racing series that fills the void. In fact F1 is unique in its longevity amonsgt top series in the world. Take the Us and its top open cockpit series over the last 30 years, anyone remember where Paul Tracey and Andretti et all raced before it was Kart or Indy or whatever it is now?
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Post by pistnbroke on Jun 9, 2015 22:29:05 GMT
In a way cost cutting is what is damaging the sport.
A car within the regulation will only be able to go to 100% of the regulation speed. Where as when the regs change teams come up with different idea's some get it right some get it wrong. The trouble with the racing at the moment is that one team got it more right than the others. Where as in the 90's the other teams could spend 100's of millions to catch up they can not because of all the IT/wind tunnel/token restrictions based on the teams.
I personally don't think that intrateam championships are that good because one team will always brow beat his team mate. Where as all teams at the same level means we get drivers of different teams fighting. Which in my opinion I prefer.
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Post by Wß on Jul 1, 2015 20:49:47 GMT
So apparently results from the fan poles of a few weeks ago are in and I have to say, I'm way out of the norm based on the sheeple responses. I'm in the minority on just about everything.
although it's clear why "fans" are so negative about F1 of late with these results.
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Post by racechick on Jul 1, 2015 21:08:16 GMT
Bloody Jenson Button!! I just don't get it. What's wrong with people? The man in the Nationwide was going on about him when I said I was going to Silverstone, I had to bite back the responses and get out of the bank quickly!!
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 2, 2015 1:13:26 GMT
Thats exactly whats wrong with F1, the media etc are more interested in promoting agendas and titillation than in promoting talent. Funnily enough the sponsors have voted with their feet and would prefer drivers who are good to drivers who look good
So the twat in Nationwide is the type of fan Twitmarsh thought the sponsors want, but the reality is that the important ones are the ones who would go online and find out about the drivers and work out whats what.
The era of the useless cult hero Kimi or the 'disturbing to a certain Max Mosely, Gary Glitter, Lord Janner generation' Button is over in the face of competition from sports with real heros(on the back of their talent and achievements, not steak dinners) like motogp.
Take Seb, what kind of hero wins 4 in a row with the best car and cannot adapt enough to win a single race against his rookie teammate?
The year Buttom disturbed more points than Lewis from the team (2011) lewis trounced him on track, killed him in quali, won as many races, and had a lot of mechanical issue to account for not gting the points, not like Seb who had his arse handed to him as he left 'for a new challenge'
So the type of half wits who really think Button, who has always bottled his home race, even in the best cars is the one to watch for have dumbed down F1 - the 'I love Jenson/Kimis hair' types - as dumb as the ' I love any driver as long as he is at Ferrari' mupps
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Post by racechick on Jul 2, 2015 8:48:25 GMT
Nationwide man was pleasant enough, asked me what I was doing at the weekend, so I told him. It was from then on things went downhill. He said , "ive not really got into F1 this year with the rule changes and Jenson and McLaren doing so badly" .
I said, " well there's Lewis, he's not doing badly" Nationwide man then pulled a face. It was at that point I thought it wise to leave the bank!
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Post by Wß on Jul 2, 2015 12:32:54 GMT
McLaren is doing badly, so the sport sucks. It's difficult to understand the rationale but easy to correlate.
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Post by racechick on Jul 14, 2015 7:11:11 GMT
Max Mosely having his say regarding cost caps. Whether his ideas are right or wrong is not the point. This isn't his business anymore. He's also having a swipe at Todt for being ineffective. Wasn't Todt the one he campaigned for and pushed to get the job?
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Post by Wß on Jul 29, 2015 16:09:54 GMT
Here are the results of the Autosport survey. 1 Lewis Hamilton 2 Kimi Raikkonen 3 Fernando Alonso = Jenson Button 5 Sebastian Vettel 6 No favourite 7 Daniel Ricciardo 8 Valtteri Bottas 9 Felipe Massa 10 Nico Rosberg 11 Max Verstappen 12 Nico Hulkenberg 13 Romain Grosjean 14 Marcus Ericsson 15 Daniil Kvyat 16 Sergio Perez 17 Felipe Nasr 18 Carlos Sainz Jr 19 Pastor Maldonado 20 Will Stevens 21 Roberto Merhi 1 Ferrari 2 McLaren 3 No favourite 4 Williams 5 Mercedes 6 Red Bull 7 Lotus 8 Force India 9 Sauber 10 Toro Rosso 11 Manor 1 Belgium 2 Monaco 3 Canada 4 Great Britain 5 Italy 6 No favourite 7 Hungary 8 USA 9 Brazil 10 Japan 11 Singapore 12 Australia 13 Abu Dhabi 14 Austria 15 Bahrain 16 Spain 17 Malaysia 18 China 19 Russia 20 Mexico How long have you been following F1?Less than a year 0.4% Between 1-3 years 5.0% Between 4-15 years 30.1% More than 15 years 64.5% How many grands prix have you attended in the last 10 years?None 44.8% Between 1-5 41.3% Between 6-12 8.9% More than 12 5.0% Would you, or have you, visited a different country from the one you live in to watch a grand prix?Yes 67.6% No 32.4% If you don't plan to attend a grand prix, why not?
Too expensive 37.6% Too far to travel 4.5% Not enough access 3.3% Prefer watching on TV 10.5% Other 4.2% I do plan to attend a GP 39.9% What is the main reason you watch Formula 1?Rivalry and competitiveness between drivers and teams 42.6% The speed and risks involved 14.8% To follow one driver or team 6.3% Technical innovations 14% Glamour of F1 2.7% History and prestige 14.2% Other 5.4% Which of the following would give you more insight into F1?More interviews with drivers or team personnel over a GP weekend 14.6% More information about teams' headquarters 6.7% More social media access 8.7% Opportunities for fans to access the F1 paddock 24.5% Better on-screen info graphics 29.8% Better camera angles (in and out of car) 15.7% Do you subscribe to watch F1 on TV?Yes 34.7% No 33.3 % Not necessary with my TV package 32% If you have access to live TV coverage, how much do you usually watch at home during a GP weekend?Practice, qualifying and the race 19.4% All sessions plus pre- and post-race discussion 36.0% Qualifying and the race 36.7% Just the race 3.8% Only highlights 1% No access to live coverage 3% When watching a grand prix do you use a second screen to access live timing through the F1 app or formula1.com website?
Yes 21.3% No 49.8% Sometimes 28.9% How often do you record coverage of sessions and then watch 'as live' at another time of day?Always 17.1% Sometimes 52.9% Never 30% Do you think teams should be allowed to run third cars?Yes 26.5% Yes but only for young drivers 39.5% No 28.2% No opinion 5.7% Do you think F1 should abolish the rule about running two specs of tyre compound in the race?Yes 52.3% No 37.5% No opinion 10.2% Should F1 ban testing and use Fridays as an open test day instead?
Yes 34.4% No 50.1% No opinion 15.6% Do you agree with having a two-tier F1 race that has manufacturers competing in a different class to independent teams with a spec engine or chassis?Yes 18.9% No 70.5% No opinion 10.7% Do you think F1 has to be environmentally friendly?Yes 41.1% No 50.9% No opinion 8% Do you think it's important that Formula 1 is at the cutting edge of technology?
Yes 90.1% No 7.6% No opinion 2.2% Would you like to see an open tyre formula to allow rival companies to compete against each other?Yes 77.9% No 15.3% No opinion 6.9% Would you be happy to see F1 become a spec series using identical chassis and engine, like GP2, in a bit to reduce costs?Yes 9.6% No 86% No opinion 4.4% Is it important that F1 engines are capable of producing over 1000bhp?Yes 48.1% No 37.9% No opinion 14.1% Would you favour slowing outright performance of F1 cars down to promote better racing?Yes 21.3% No 69.1% No opinion 9.7% Do you like F1 visiting new territories such as Korea, Russia and Azerbaijan?Yes 37.4% No 45.2% No opinion 17.5% Do you think F1 benefits from having car manufacturers competing in the sport?Yes 88.4% No 6.4% No opinion 5.2% Do you agree with the statement that F1 is a business first and a sport second?Yes 48.5% No 45.2% No opinion 6.3% What is your gender?Male 92.2% Female 7.8% What is your age?Under 18 3.9% 18-40 59.3% 41-60 27.3% 61+ 9.4%
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Post by racechick on Jul 29, 2015 17:05:44 GMT
That was interesting WB. I'd agree broadly with these results, though maybe not all. Only 7% of responders were women Well that's a shock! I'd have said way more than that. Look how many folk aren't bothered whether Red Bull and Ferrari stay or go. YOU HEAR THAT BERNIE!! Folk aren't bothered!! So how about removing the 100 thousand gift to Ferari and giving if to teams lower down the grid who really need it!!
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Post by Wß on Jul 29, 2015 17:57:30 GMT
Lots of interesting stuff with the results here. Some of them bizarre. There are actually 5% of people that liked the double points rule.
It's also whacky that 90% of the responses said they think it's important that Formula 1 is at the cutting edge of technology but 42% of the respondents apparently preferred the old normally aspirated V8s. Go figure.
Favorite of all is the resounding NO to the would you follow F1 if Red Bull or Ferrari quit. But the tifosi are a passionate bunch indeed since 22% of them would quit versus only 4% quitting if Red Bull left.
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