Fidelity. What do we think?

Sadly, yes. I know it's not an absolute, but monogamy as a general rule of thumb is not and should not be universally expected bu either sex. It takes two to tango so it's not like women are wholly innocent of the fact. I'm a very much live and let live supporter but the fact that currently the majority of all marriages end in divorce says to me that 10 we're not doing a good enough job picking a spouse in the first place and 2) not doing enough to work through the worse part of the for better or worse portion of the vows.

I think the part they should leave out of the vows...should be about keeping yourselves for each other, this would save a lot of high expectation on the being faithful scale. But then Marriage is outdated imo, people stay together because they want to, important thing is if there are kids from the relationship, better to have two happy parents that live apart, than two miserable gits, who cannot stand the sight of one another.
People change as they get older, sometimes they grow apart

For some I guess it comes down to money, apparently divorce is very (or can be) very expensive.

I hope he has a new clutch! I hope they have a clutch that can handle F1 starts. If the clutch will handle it I have every confidence that Lewis will..........as to the other discussion......no comment,

Oh I know and agree. It's a decision each couple has to make and live with and be comfortable with. I know people that are absolutely miserable together but won't get a divorce because of the financial complexities of it. I don't think I'd ever allow that to happen to me, where I'd sacrifice my happiness to save a buck.

I think that there are also a lot of societal "expected norm" types of behaviors that are simply not one size fits all. The biggest laugh out loud thing here with the whole marriage equality thing we've just gone though it so many of the social conservative politicians screaming loudly about the sanctity of marriage and marriage being between one man and one woman, yet they've had three divorces and don't see anything hypocritical about that.

Huh. I didn't understand your last sentence...

All I believe in this matter is that fidelity is becoming a rarity nowadays. Is it social degeneration? Or it it simply the power of communication like fb, instacrap, wechat, tinder and other shits like this which provides easy attraction and faster communication between people? What if all this social tech was available 50 years ago, the institution of marriage might have be obsolete by now.

IMHO. Personally I value the idea of marriage and fidelity but I keep hearing about horror stories of people around me on almost a weekly basis and makes me feel it's almost too late for the current generation already.

I had a conversation with a girl who's dating a guy who I was very good friends with throughout school about marriage as they have been dating for about 5 years now.

She's exactly the same as me and seemingly a growing number of young people who aren't that bothered by the idea of getting married and would actually prefer not to get married because of the whole divorce situation. If they were to lose interest in one another then there wouldn't be months of divorce shit to deal with, simply move on nice and easily.

Sure it may well make you a little more vulnerable to being cheated on but if some asshole cheats on you then fuck them, find someone who truly loves you and can ignore the temptation of others.

I've not been married obviously but the girls who I have been in relationships for months / years have all eventually cheated... I don't do second chances for shit like that; you fuck up and it's the end. I'd rather not have the hurt of trust being broken and all the rest of it and then on top of that have to deal with a divorce.


Hammer, what is "wechat"? I've heard of facebook, instagram and tinder but not wechat. You're probably right though the technologiy will certainly play a big part on it but also so will the fact travel is much easier. The world is becoming more and more diverse every day, back 50 years ago people wouldn't be able to easily hook up with someone from the opposite side of the world, nor would they be able to easily hook up with someone at the opposite side of the country yet now it's very easy to mix genes and make the global gene pool much more diverse. It's actually beneficial to the gene pool to have children with someone who has several generations in a different country.

If you take a look the the gene types across the UK there is a clear pattern showing that certain gene types area more concentrated in the same area but it is starting to change and we're seeing more and more change, this is a small map of a study done in 2011 and you can see some pattern but it's not that clear:
i.imgur.com/8hnvric.png

A better example is to go into blood types which shows it very easily:
i.imgur.com/HqWaB8g.jpg

Or look at an indigenous American gene and it's spread as of 2001:
i.imgur.com/OkFGxBW.png

There is actually a really good point made in this one where Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan are there shouldn't really be a hot-spot of gene concentration in the middle of nowhere unless it is remote/not many places to travel to/not easy to travel which in this case is true.

Hammer my last statement sort of said I tries to be a big a slut as I could when I was young.