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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 6, 2015 13:47:03 GMT
We know who complained dont we!
Edit: in light of the full evidence - that the tyre temperature was not accounted for and that the tyre pressures were fully legal when tested properly and during the entire race, I have decided to change the title of the poll to reflect the evidence.
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Post by Frontrunner on Sept 6, 2015 13:54:34 GMT
Na don't think so, But if there were, I wouldn't want to be near RC there in Monza when its annouced.
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Post by Frontrunner on Sept 6, 2015 14:14:02 GMT
Now that I know what the issue is, I starting to lean towards the other way, there could be a little trouble here.
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Post by Wß on Sept 6, 2015 14:22:56 GMT
I'm not going to vote. .3 PSI is an embarrassment to steal the race win but it's not like Ferrari haven't bribed the race stewards before is it?
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 6, 2015 14:30:31 GMT
Ok lets see how Ferrari achieved this, they obviously called the stewards attention to tyre pressures, as they were also looked at. So if its a technical infringment, then its a DQ, but can Pirelli mandate technical limits, ok say the FIA did include this Pirelli recomendation as a technical directive then it must have been for safety reasons, so an infringment should have been black flagged DURING the race. If its an infringment on performance gain grounds then it should be a time penalty after the race. Last race Bottas got a 25 sec penalty equivalent for a clear technical breach of the tyre rules by actually having a whole wrong tyre on, he didnt get Dqed. But guess what Lewis will not get the same penalty for a lesser infringment If its an unintentional infringment then just like all the cars having 4 wheels off track, there should be leeway to see how much advantage was gained and 0.3psi on one tyre only would not equate to more than a second or so over the whole race, it could even be argued to unbalance the car and be a disadvantage But the result ofcourse will be Ferrari WINNING at Monza
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 6, 2015 15:08:23 GMT
Merc will lose the win and be excluded, and the good thing I can see out of this is that they will take the gloves off and forget all about trying to help FOM out with anything.
Could actually be a blessing in disguise, RBR can forget about engines for a start and Merc may unleash the Kracken at last
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Post by Wß on Sept 6, 2015 15:22:41 GMT
Whatever the result may be today, in the courts this will be the defense and hopefully the win for Mercedes.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 6, 2015 15:24:22 GMT
Whatever the result may be today, in the courts this will be the defense and hopefully the win for Mercedes. Exactly, so wtf was the engineer doing this time? Chewing gum and nodding away? Was this the same engineer who recommended 40 laps at Spa? LOL
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Post by Wß on Sept 6, 2015 15:27:15 GMT
I want a job as a Pirelli engineer!
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 7, 2015 19:45:30 GMT
So the final word on this is now out - published by Motorsport, and so anyone after this still peddling the bullcrap that Merc got off lightly or cheated or were even illegal for 1 second can be referred back to this - if they can understand it ofcourse Temperature and pressure are directly correlated, pressure is the imprint left by kinetic energy of the particles in a volume on the container, and temperature is the kinetic energy expressed by said particles, so for a given volume of air in a tyre, the more pressure the more temperature The tyre pressures are checked in the garage at a temperature that represents racing conditions and checked thru the race. Merc passed ALL these tests The FIA suddenly decided to do a spot check on Mercs tyres AFTER the garage test at racing temperature, they did this check after the tyre warmers were removed and BEFORE the tyres went on the warm up lap (clue is warm up lap) - lo and behold - the tyres had dropped in temperature and therefore in pressure BEFORE the warm-up lap started So the FIA person checking 'didnt realise' that the pressure would rise into its range on the warm up lap - OR IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO DQ MERC on a technicality in ITALY the most pertinent part; www.motorsport.com/f1/news/italian-gp-f1-s-tyre-controversy-know-the-whole-story/
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 8, 2015 22:02:45 GMT
Will Buxton agrees with me willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/safe-from-harm/So the FIA guy on a backhander from somewhere, noted that the pressures were unsafe (forgot about the temperature effect) and witheld that info. and after the race started the tyres came back into the correct range, yet towards the end the same guy felt the need to have Merc penalised Either the guy was stupid enough to not think of the safety aspect before the start AND stupid enough to still ignore the correct pressures during the race AND stupid enough to call for a penalty or he had no other thought but to time it and execute it in a way to steal the win from Merc Imagine Lewis had crashed chasing that 25 sec lead? maybe Nico blew his engine for the same reason. At best the guy - was crminally incompetent, at worst he was criminally competent. And with most crimes, to catch the perp you look to who stands to benefit the most from the criminal deed
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Post by Hammer on Sept 9, 2015 5:03:29 GMT
Very interesting read. I had this vague thought in my mind that things conspired to try and hand Ferrari the win on a platter and this Jo Bauer guy was in it for Mercedes, but now it looks a bit clearer. What would be better received in Italy, a Merc or a Ferrari win? Strange how such a minor incident became such a headline post race, when the issue was traced back to BEFORE the race began...which is what looked really fishy to me when the news emerged.
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Post by RyRy on Sept 9, 2015 21:38:48 GMT
I personally think no, It sounds like a bit of confusion and someone got the wrong idea.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 13, 2015 14:27:21 GMT
This quote from somewhere else makes the point that someone tried deliberately to use a technicality to penalise Merc
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Post by Wß on Sept 13, 2015 14:40:52 GMT
Singapore should hurry up so we can start talking about the next dominant Lewis Hamilton win. Where is Ross when you need him to remind us as to how mentally weak Hamilton is for losing out to Rosberg in qualifying. Love to hear his rationalizations to that effect this year.
Lewis' song has a good hook, I hope it doesn't sell too well, he may quit the sport. Maybe he should sing a few lines as he celebrates on the podium this weekend. He could whip out a guitar like Elvis used to.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Sept 13, 2015 14:45:43 GMT
If Lewis sells more than a few copies of that record (Nicole, his mom and brother) I would be truly shocked
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Post by racechick on Sept 13, 2015 14:51:53 GMT
Hey!! Thanks for posting the nightclub song!! I'd tried to search for that but couldn't find it. It's not brill sound quality but still , better than nothing. I think I've seen the guitar one before.
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Post by Hammer on Sept 14, 2015 13:42:20 GMT
I really like the guitar clip. Watched it quite a while back but it really is cool, this guy is just flowing with talent. Racing in a high profile sport, going into music, heavy into the fashion industry bloody hell I'd need 48 hours a day to even think about organizing my schedule.
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