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Post by Frontrunner on Jan 27, 2017 12:20:46 GMT
Trump betting odds before the inauguration www.motherjones.com/files/gamble.pngThe betting odds on 4/1 for impeachment have been tumbling aparently, the bookies have been piling on for impeachment within 6 months.
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Post by stonemonkey on Jan 29, 2017 8:06:41 GMT
I feel for the people of the US, it's like a badly thought out social experiment going terribly but predictably wrong on a massive scale. If there is impeachment, how can a successor who can be trusted to be capable of dealing with the mess be chosen, or does Pence take over?
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Post by stonemonkey on Jan 29, 2017 9:58:51 GMT
OMG! He's ordered mad dog to come up with a plan in 30 days to defeat IS! What world is he living in?
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Post by LRW on Jan 29, 2017 12:59:02 GMT
I feel for the people of the US, it's like a badly thought out social experiment going terribly but predictably wrong on a massive scale. If there is impeachment, how can a successor who can be trusted to be capable of dealing with the mess be chosen, or does Pence take over? Pence takes the reigns I believe. Which from what I've heard could be just as bad, if not worse!
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Post by Hammer on Jan 29, 2017 13:38:53 GMT
I changed my avatar for WBs benefit.
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Post by RyRy on Jan 30, 2017 22:13:02 GMT
Trump is a complete an utter twat, how the fuck did America let this fool become the President.
Everything he's doing is just fuelling hate against him, he's almost asking to be assassinated...
Is there anything he can do that will result in him being removed from power?
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Post by stonemonkey on Jan 30, 2017 23:46:46 GMT
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Post by Wß on Jan 31, 2017 2:10:07 GMT
They name is something nice so you won't notice. Right to work, religious freedom, marriage equality.
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Post by Hammer on Jan 31, 2017 6:09:54 GMT
Trump is a complete an utter twat, how the fuck did America let this fool become the President. Everything he's doing is just fuelling hate against him, he's almost asking to be assassinated... Is there anything he can do that will result in him being removed from power?
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Post by Frontrunner on Feb 2, 2017 11:01:56 GMT
Seems that the 25 minute phone call between the US President and the Australian Prime Minister did not go down very well, Washington post even claiming that Trump gave the Aussie PM a blast on the over the phone, saying "this is the worst phone call I had so far" followed by hanging up abruptly on the Aussie PM. Interesting times ahead.
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Post by Wß on Feb 2, 2017 13:37:50 GMT
Trump thought he was calling Austria.
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Post by LRW on Feb 5, 2017 6:59:24 GMT
This website actually makes a pretty strong case. Go in with an open mind. You might be surprised. Even you Wßwhytrumpisgreat.com/
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Post by racechick on Feb 5, 2017 13:52:50 GMT
It's popular at the moment to call supporters of Trump racists and xenophobes, as happened in the UK to people who voted For Brexit. Sure there are racists and xenophobes who voted for Trump and Brexit, there have always been people like that. But it's simplistic and unfair way to label millions and millions of voters. An article here gives another view of why people voted as they did . It's from the the Guardian, the UK's leading left wing paper. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/05/trump-not-fascist-champion-for-forgotten-millionsDon't know if you're familiar with the character Stefan Molyneuex? Irish Canadian. Outspoken. Controversial. But cut through some of his hyperbole and listen to what he actually says. Some eye openers.
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Post by Hammer on Feb 5, 2017 15:21:38 GMT
It's become a fad for Trump bashing now. Honestly, I don't see why there is such a huge fuss for the 6 country ban. Firstly, yes they were countries of 'risk' which were listed by Obama. Secondly, it seems the media is making a meal out of it by calling it a Muslim ban. Well yeah, majority Muslims but he left out many other countries out there with Muslim majorities.
And the mess which Europe had to endure from Syria and other countries coming in and causing tensions, I don't see whats wrong if Trump wants to avoid a similar issue. I'm still asking myself why aren't Saudi Arabia and few other top Muslim countries offering more aid to their Muslim brothers. They've closed borders, and I don't see much noise of protest. And in a few of these Muslim countries ,they'd never in a million years accept scores of non-Muslims coming in and building Churches/Temples/etc in their country. No frigging way. They've closed borders keeping their own Muslim brothers/sisters out!
Double standards everywhere. If Trump wants to get tough and just protect his borders in a slightly 'rude' manner I say go for it.
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Post by Wß on Feb 5, 2017 16:38:29 GMT
Couple of points it's not about calling Trump supporters racists, I agree there have been and always will be that factions, call them skin heads, call them neo-Nazis, white supremacists. A racists white guy by any other name is still as racists. This is about his organization consisting of Steve Bannon as the chief strategist but also trying to include him into NSC meetings, the National Security Council meetings where matters of global policy are set, historically only heads of agencies. To include Bannon, Trump removes the head of the Joint Chiefs. Bannon isn't a dumb guy, he rarely gives interviews and stays behind the curtain, but his tenure includes running Breitbart News, a website for the scum of the earth, advocating homophobia, xenophobia, racism, and giving a home to the "alt-right" label. The guys is a documents anti Semite and is now writing Trumps executive orders. So the immigration ban does few things, it bans all immigrants for said seven countries, but there's a problem with that. Not a single attck in the US has been commited by anyone from said countries... 9/11 did include Saudi and Egyptian nationalists and historically the lions share of terrorists funding comes from Saudi Arabia. But they're not on the list of countries banned? So there's an ulterior motive that is to feed red meat to said white nationalists supporting Trump, while at the same time not doing a thing to actually make a difference. To say that we don't scan and vet immigrants is to be ignorant of immigration laws, we have more scrutiny today of people with Visas coming into the country than ever, so it's not about security. There's also a ban on anyone holding dual citizenship with one of the countries on the list, there's also a clause for anyone that is claims to be christian, there's a ban on anyone with a green card (US residency) so a child born in the US and being an American citizen can't bring in his parents that are just residents. To say that the executive order is illegal/unconstitutional is putting it mildly. But that's the root of fascism, taking away civil liberties in the promise of national safety, national security. There's ten fold the amount of terrorist activity in this country from white nationals, xenophobic groups and religious zealous than there are from terrorists. A scared populace is a malleable populace, and Trump has fed on that. The only thing scarier than not being able to put food on the table is being killed in a terrorist attack in Bowling Green Kentucky. So when an administration coming in, and starts threatening the media, saying they lie, they start quoting things like alternative facts, and challenge established laws and presidential protocols and fire the acting US Attorney General when she said that she won't enforce the immigration ban because it is unconstitutional, and when Trump personally attacks a Federal Judge for ordering a stay on the ban again for the same reason, things couldn't be clearer. I'm more than happy to talk to you guys about this but you guys have to read and understand the actions, I stay out of the Brexit stuff because I don't have the knowledge and history of how things come to be, but you guys need to know that there's opinion, and then there's fact and the law. Trump and his organization has 55 law suits pending now, after two weeks in office. Bush, Obama, Clinton all had 4 or 5 law suits pending. As of right now, we've got 13 out of the 14 ticked off.
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Post by Wß on Feb 5, 2017 17:59:01 GMT
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Post by Hammer on Feb 5, 2017 18:10:38 GMT
Ok, you see everything Sanders said right there - if people were camping out outside the White House protesting all of these issues, I totally get it.
Instead, all the ruckus I hear/see is about the immigration suspension. Inefficient and a waste of time protesting this, they have much bigger things to worry about.
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Post by Wß on Feb 5, 2017 18:11:16 GMT
Clearly not all of Trumps 62 million votes are racist, but his administration's refusal to disavow the hatred, on the contrary feed off of it, has made it acceptable in the eyes racists to no long have to pretend.
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Post by Wß on Feb 5, 2017 19:19:32 GMT
This video BTW is a lot of rationalized bullshit and once again propagates misinformation and vagaries of facts. The countries identified were countries that the Obama administration NEVER banned from immigration, they did however advise Americans from traveling there. There is a marked difference. They never stopped immigration from those countries, however from people coming through EU countries of persons having been in those seven countries after September of 2011 and they slowed the release of Visas while they created more scrutiny and checks for those people coming in. Again, a marked difference. So here you have a guy (a Canadian) quoting absolute falsehoods and tying equivalencies where the intent is vastly different and you have an entire market eating it up because people believe what they want to believe. One simple question, if there was already a law passed by congress and signed by Obama banning said immigrants, why does Trump need to sign an executive order banning them again? So there is a law, or there isn't. I don't hear your Canadian ask that question.The intro alone set the POV when you decide to call immigrants leechers and a burden instead of future American seeking a better life, you know... like the millions of immigrants this country was founded upon then you've already lost the plot. Canada BTW, where the Trump rhetoric just had to dickwaad kill six people in a mosque during prayer services, but no let's be rational about the ban. The trum executive order also walks the line about not mentioning Muslims, but why then is there a specific exception for Christians? It did not discern from legal residents it did not make exceptions for Arabic language translators employed by the stat department and it specifically bans people with dual citizenship. That alone makes the executive order unconstitutional and thereby shot down by the courts and the acting Attorney General said she'd not enforce it and was consequently fired by Trump. Again why is not Saudi Arabia included despite 17 out of the 19 hijackers in 9/11 being Saudi. Why, oh yeah that's where Trump has gotten his money from investors to bail him out of his last bankruptcy, and oh yeah, that's where Trump has business dealings with golf courses, hotels and various join ventures. It's either about Terrorism or it's about red meat to the idiots that support that type of fascist rule while the organization proceeds to rape and pillage the country offering the scraps to his lowest bidder friends. Let's overlook for a moment that the Bush administration fabricated a war against Iraq utterly destabilizing the entire region, with no long term plan and no hope of ever being untangled from the mess, creating a power vacuum that's the direct genesis of why we find ourselves in the state we're in, with the entire region seeking refuge in the EU and elsewhere, but let's continue to blame the people trying to flee from a work torn hell, but let's not blame our governments and the governments of the UAE that now will not lift a finger to try and alleviate the chaos that's making these people flee. 13 out of the 14 points...
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Post by racechick on Feb 5, 2017 22:26:11 GMT
Trump didn't draw up the list of the seven 'risk' countries, Obama did in response to the Paris and other terror attacks. Four countries on the list at first The bill was called H.R 158 and signed in December 2015. It was amended in Feb 2016 to include Lybia, Somalia and Yemen. Why Pakistan and Saudi weren't on the list is a very good question as they are sources of terrorists. Maybe as you say too many trade links?
Obamas bill didn't ban travel but terminated travel privileges. Presumably Trump took it a stage further and made it a temporary travel ban?
Agree with your last paragraph. The West is completely complicit in the mess that is the Middle East.
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