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Post by Wß on Jun 15, 2016 18:52:17 GMT
Thinking here, looking at this guy last week it's clear he's under a lot of pressure. Body language, taking the strategy decision on his shoulders, and in the past being a cheerleader for Raikkonen. A lot of the puzzle pieces at Ferrari aren't falling into place and the competition is getting tighter, next year McLaren may even join the mix.
Given the way things have historically worked at the Scuderia, the house cleaning and cleaning house yet again of 2014/15 I'm thinking more and more that he's simply not going to be around next season. Keeping Kimi in the second seat has been a dramatically poor return on investment, they have not been able to capitalize on the lack of competition from the other teams last year and have failed to deliver a win so far this season, despite it clearly being what's being demanded from the leadership.
I think Arrivabene seems like a pretty cool guy overall but he seems out of his depth at being able to provide the leadership Ferrari needs (which I think is what he's actually doing well with) while at the same time, pushing back and shielding the team from the demands of board and the expectations of FIAT that are now looking to make this goose lay the golden egg they were led to believe the spin off to be.
Just putting the question out there, but Monza is not too far away and you know the brass will be all there in full regalia expecting what IMO is an unreasonable expectation. Not only must Ferrari with some races this year, I think they need to win more than the 3 they won last year for Arrivabene to keep his job. If the count is zero by the end of Monza, I don't think they'll give him till the end of the year.
Interesting to hear opinions from you guys.
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Post by racechick on Jun 15, 2016 19:26:00 GMT
He'll be the next fall guy. Shame because I quite like him. But I also liked the last one ( name starting with m, they always seen to start with m)
Ferrari are floundering , and the only answers they seem to have is..........hire drivers that have won stuff, sack managers. And sack then rehire engineers.
This doesn't seem to be working out too well.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Jun 15, 2016 21:58:13 GMT
I fail to see how Ferrari's strategy of oiling up the hinges on the revolving door to shuttle in and out team manages will lead to winning. Look around...stability wins races and championships. Their current F1 team leadership, IMO, is doing an amazing job. A part of their success will come from everyone buying into his belief, character and passion...and clearly you can see it. The team responds to his rallying cries and they are now making gains on Mercedes. They may have the odd bad weekend here or there but look at where they are compared to last year and beyond. The top brass of the Ferrari brand should be looking to build upon what is happening now, not to again start over for the umpteenth time.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 16, 2016 4:22:07 GMT
He surely fulfills the passion quota at Ferrari, when you see him cheering at the race starts like he's just bagged the Championship. But apart from that, Ferrari have made gains in terms of pace.....I'd go with 2ndcoming, stability is key. If Ferrari fire him during this season they're just going to prove themselves to be fickle and completely lost. Since Arriva arrived as the 'saviour' after the mass sackings of top brass at Ferrari.
I do think Arriva is a stronger leader than Domenicali though. He looked like the guy who'd be bullied into finishing other ppl's homework during high school.
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Post by Wß on Jul 7, 2016 17:59:29 GMT
Reading around that Ferrari has now used another development token for this weekend, I'd like to have them competitive, simply because it would lighten the pessimistic view of so many fans simply because Ferrari is struggling. I shared a Ross Brawn video on the Silverstone race thread and if you haven't watched it DO! Esp if you're a Ferrari fan.
Amazing insight into what he feels is the issue keeping Ferrari from turning things around.
I'm still thinking Arrivabene will be out by the second half of the season.
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Post by Wß on Jul 13, 2016 14:06:08 GMT
Why is it the powers that be can't or won't simply stop demanding they win from "X" race forward, and simply draft a mid term plan, 2~4 years to design, produce and develop a championship winning caliber car? Since the hey days of Ferrari in the early part of the 2000s, Renault, Red Bull and now Mercedes have managed to win on that type of philosophy.
It's frustrating to read comments like these from Arrivabene yet know that the biggest challenge to Ferrari is *being* Ferrari. Maybe McLaren is right saying they're the next ones on the legacy/championship bandwagon.
Ten races, ten different excuses as to how they could have or should have won, it must be excruciatingly frustrating and exhausting as a fan but it's not like it's a secret what's wrong and how to fix it or how to create a winning organization.
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Post by Liam Catterson on Jul 13, 2016 21:17:40 GMT
He'll be the next fall guy. Shame because I quite like him. But I also liked the last one ( name starting with m, they always seen to start with m) Ferrari are floundering , and the only answers they seem to have is..........hire drivers that have won stuff, sack managers. And sack then rehire engineers. This doesn't seem to be working out too well. Naa, f*ck Mattiacci. I still remember he never signed my autograph at Silverstone... Plus he can never live up to the legend that is Arrivabene |
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Post by Wß on Jul 13, 2016 22:41:53 GMT
It's funny in the Ross Brawn interview I posted a couple of days back he says Alison is one fine guy to begin a building process around, then you've got to have the rest of the people in place and you have to have a plan.
I think the issue at Ferrari is the "plan" is always, let's build this year and win next year. When it doesn't pan out like that, they look for a scapegoat cause something has to be wrong and they clean house again. Rinse, lather, repeat for the last 8 years now.
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Post by Wß on Jul 20, 2016 19:14:12 GMT
Ferrari does have an uphill battle on their hands, their car was practically undriveable under the wet conditions in race pace and no amount of complaining about how Mercedes has stifled competition could explain their unraveling at the seams this season. I'd like to see a strong Scuderia show up to the grid next year but given the same ol' same ol' with management and the rumors of Alison leaving, Brawn telling them no thank you... again, and Marchionne looking for heads to chop by interviewing junior level engineers that will throw designers that haven't had a plan or a clean slate to build from for longer than 18 months is not giving me reason to be hopeful. I don't think I can stand another year of mindless droning and badmouthing.  |
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Post by the2ndcoming on Jul 20, 2016 19:39:28 GMT
Ferrari does have an uphill battle on their hands, their car was practically undriveable under the wet conditions in race pace and no amount of complaining about how Mercedes has stifled competition could explain their unraveling at the seams this season.I'd like to see a strong Scuderia show up to the grid next year but given the same ol' same ol' with management and the rumors of Alison leaving, Brawn telling them no thank you... again, and Marchionne looking for heads to chop by interviewing junior level engineers that will throw designers that haven't had a plan or a clean slate to build from for longer than 18 months is not giving me reason to be hopeful.I don't think I can stand another year of mindless droning and badmouthing. I might suggest Marchionne should be wise enough to realise that axing more heads isn't the solution right now, especially with Alison leaving. As the head honcho, him getting more hands-on, fine but yet more turnover will only set them back another couple of years. And while that stability begins to take shape in a few years, Mercedes and even Red Bull will have taken monumental leaps forward. They, the current group, all have the passion to move forwards but like everything else, it takes time. I know the Ferraristas don't want to hear this but Ferrari's biggest failing is feeling a certain entitlement to winning and then being desperate when it's not happening. In my view, they have made huge strides when compared to recent previous years. They just have to stay on song and the winning will come. SaveSave |
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Post by Wß on Jul 30, 2016 1:50:05 GMT
Looks like Sergio started alphabetically, James Allison, who's next?  |
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Post by Wß on Jul 30, 2016 23:08:49 GMT
Marchionne is probably taking note...
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Post by Wß on Aug 15, 2016 16:42:55 GMT
It's always darkest just before it goes completely black.
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Post by Hammer on Aug 15, 2016 17:17:17 GMT
"For the engine we have something that is coming and we are quite comfortable with the engine but the aerodynamic development we are going to be stopped in the summer break so it stops the development time. After we stop [for summer] we need to look at the short term and development."
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Post by Wß on Aug 24, 2016 12:58:02 GMT
You can almost see it already, Sergio and Piero glaring over at Arrivabene, I can't be 100% certain and yet, we've seen it all before; now this.
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Post by Hammer on Aug 24, 2016 14:43:52 GMT
Ferrari now racing against time to keep themselves in the shout for 2nd place for the WCC.
Next year it will be 3rd.
The year after, 4th...and Vettel leaves.
And then Ferrari pulls out of F1 and joins Formula E (saying combustion engines are a thing of the past)
And then I wake up from this funny ass dream. Lol
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Post by Wß on Aug 28, 2016 23:30:59 GMT
It's getting comical now... as a fan, as an observer of the sport you read the last quote and say, yeah that's the problem! Then you realize they have no clue what the problem is. Monza is next weekend yes?
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Post by Hammer on Aug 29, 2016 5:28:43 GMT
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Post by Wß on Oct 22, 2016 3:01:36 GMT
Sigh.
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Post by LRW on Oct 22, 2016 6:29:28 GMT
I mean yeah, because obviously that's the answer.
Ferrari will now be WCC winners next year.
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