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Post by Wß on Jun 23, 2017 16:02:18 GMT
If he can drive the car to the 2018 standards, it makes a whole lot of sense for Renault. Kubica still has a massive following and Palmer frankly couldn't possibly be any worse than he currently is.
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Renault
Jun 24, 2017 6:34:34 GMT
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Post by dogued on Jun 24, 2017 6:34:34 GMT
so that's an F1 maybe
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Post by London on Jul 21, 2017 15:34:03 GMT
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Post by Wß on Jul 21, 2017 19:31:57 GMT
I really think next year both Honda and Renault will show up with competitive lumps, enough to be within a negligible margin to Mercedes. The MGU-H is the component they're struggling with most from my reading around.
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Post by Wß on Jul 22, 2017 12:21:25 GMT
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Post by dogued on Jul 24, 2017 10:32:17 GMT
I don't even drink tea or coffee..... but I kinda want one!
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Post by Wß on Jul 24, 2017 14:33:14 GMT
Now in their second season and with a Renault PU in the back, I figured it was time to take out the "Lotus" part of the name in the thread. Live long and prosper Renault.
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Post by Wß on Jul 24, 2017 23:01:01 GMT
I'd never seen a picture of Robert's arm... it's miracle enough his arm wasn't amputated, but to see it now, it's incredible effort and testament that he's actually going to be testing a 2017 spec car. Regardless of whether he makes it back into the sport, he's won.
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Jul 27, 2017 13:55:39 GMT
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Post by dogued on Jul 27, 2017 13:55:39 GMT
69. That's the number of laps Kubica needs to complete at the Hungaroring test in order to satisfy the 300kms in a current machine that the FIA require for a Super Licence. He will then need FIA medical approval, which shouldn't be an issue. He will then need a vote from the FIA to waive the points requirement to gain a Super Licence, which given he has already held one, shouldn't be an issue. But he certainly will NOT drive during a race weekend in 2017, says Abiteboul... again..... after saying the first drive was just a bit of fun and nothing would come from it.... So look for Kubica in USA/MEX/BRA/ABU
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Aug 2, 2017 18:07:24 GMT
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Post by ichabod on Aug 2, 2017 18:07:24 GMT
So, Kubica did 130 odd laps today and used all available tires, with a best lap of 1:18.572
Palmer qualified with a 1:18.415, I'd be shitting myself if I were Joylon !
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Post by Wß on Aug 2, 2017 18:49:13 GMT
lots of factors and given temps track situation etc etc, I wouldn't read too much into times... BUT. Renault would have a lot of the data at their disposal engine settings, fuel loads and most of all his long run pace to know how to gauge his performance today.
In the end, you're right though. Jolyon's days are numbered.
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Post by dogued on Aug 2, 2017 23:36:47 GMT
Di Resta was half a second off Stroll with only 11 laps... so Kubica's times aren't that worrying. If he was matching Hulk pace, maybe. The main thing is how he felt getting in and out, and after so many laps.
Also, that fastest time from Kubica was set on Ultras where as the qualifying lap from Palmer was on supers.
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Post by Hammer on Aug 3, 2017 1:53:38 GMT
Palmers days should be numbered if Kubica did great or did crap. Renault are wasting 1 seat with him, if they're halfway smart they'd replace him in the very next race.
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Aug 3, 2017 2:53:05 GMT
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Post by dogued on Aug 3, 2017 2:53:05 GMT
While I don't exactly think Palmer is the next Hamilton or even Button, I do think that a large part of the issue he's had is the number of actual laps completed and being comfortable/confident behind the wheel. Not going to excuse him fully, but I do think this has to have some bearing on his results. People fawn over other midfield drivers, but if I throw names like Heidfeld, Sutil, Di Resta, Perez, Hulkenburg, Grosjean, Salo, Sato, Glock, and Verne out there, what exactly have any of them done in all their races? No wins, very very few podiums, and nothing that would have you saying "remember that race...", about the closest it comes is "remember that race when Glock moved aside to let Lewis win the WDC because he didn't like Ferrari?" You want another statistic? What do Alonso, Bottas, Lauda, Barrichello, K. Rosberg, N, Piquet, G. Hill, and Berger all have in common? They took the same if not more grand prix races to score points than Palmer. This is why I think in this day and age, top teams should have a junior team. Many of the best drivers in F1 spent a year or so failing quietly in backamarker teams away from the spotlight. They should allow a certain amount of data sharing from the big guy to the little guy (like Ferrari did with Haas, only without using loopholes) so they they enter as a competitive team from day 1. Imagine: Mercedes - Hamilton & Bottas Team 11 - Wehrlein & Russel Ferrari - Vettel & Raikkonen Sauber - Leclerc & Giovinazzi Red Bull - Ricciardo & Verstappen Torro Rosso - Gasly & Kari Renault - Hulkenburg & Kubica Team 13 - Palmer & Rowland McLaren - Alonso & Vandoorne Team 12 - Norris & Matsushita Then you have Williams, Haas, and Force India as independents. 26 car grid, a good cycle of drivers coming through, and real competition for older drivers to keep their seats. Young drivers can learn at the rear and either fail without notice or shine bright and get promotion. With more cars and more competition, the race feed will have less time to focus on the issues besetting the lower order.
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Post by dogued on Aug 4, 2017 1:36:40 GMT
A hidden message to the Hulk here?
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Post by Wß on Aug 4, 2017 12:08:10 GMT
While I don't exactly think Palmer is the next Hamilton or even Button, I do think that a large part of the issue he's had is the number of actual laps completed and being comfortable/confident behind the wheel. Not going to excuse him fully, but I do think this has to have some bearing on his results. People fawn over other midfield drivers, but if I throw names like Heidfeld, Sutil, Di Resta, Perez, Hulkenburg, Grosjean, Salo, Sato, Glock, and Verne out there, what exactly have any of them done in all their races? No wins, very very few podiums, and nothing that would have you saying "remember that race...", about the closest it comes is "remember that race when Glock moved aside to let Lewis win the WDC because he didn't like Ferrari?" You want another statistic? What do Alonso, Bottas, Lauda, Barrichello, K. Rosberg, N, Piquet, G. Hill, and Berger all have in common? They took the same if not more grand prix races to score points than Palmer. This is why I think in this day and age, top teams should have a junior team. Many of the best drivers in F1 spent a year or so failing quietly in backamarker teams away from the spotlight. They should allow a certain amount of data sharing from the big guy to the little guy (like Ferrari did with Haas, only without using loopholes) so they they enter as a competitive team from day 1. Imagine: Mercedes - Hamilton & Bottas Team 11 - Wehrlein & Russel Ferrari - Vettel & Raikkonen Sauber - Leclerc & Giovinazzi Red Bull - Ricciardo & Verstappen Torro Rosso - Gasly & Kari Renault - Hulkenburg & Kubica Team 13 - Palmer & Rowland McLaren - Alonso & Vandoorne Team 12 - Norris & Matsushita Then you have Williams, Haas, and Force India as independents. 26 car grid, a good cycle of drivers coming through, and real competition for older drivers to keep their seats. Young drivers can learn at the rear and either fail without notice or shine bright and get promotion. With more cars and more competition, the race feed will have less time to focus on the issues besetting the lower order. You'd have to do something with Qualifying, maybe a Q4? But I agree, F1 is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to competition. The level of complexity means that there's always going to be tiered results. They could simply leave regulations alone and have teams coalesce with time but nah, that would be too easy. We want the competition of a spec series, but we want the technology leading edge of F1s DNA... they two just don't go together.
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Sept 6, 2017 13:09:19 GMT
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Post by London on Sept 6, 2017 13:09:19 GMT
Good luck to the châssis and aero department at Renault. They will be on equal terms with RB and McLaren on the engine side. If they want to be champion in a few years, they will not only have to rely on the motorization but actually be the best on these three areas : engine, chassis and aero. Not to mention the driver, Sainz maybe.
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Post by Wß on Sept 8, 2017 19:08:47 GMT
Is Villeneuve the sport's biggest scum bag? I heard something over the Monza weekend that Williams asked him to no longer come to their hospitality suite (as their champion representative) because of his constant beratement towards Lance Sroll.
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Post by racechick on Sept 9, 2017 7:28:29 GMT
What a douchebag! And what did Mr, Villeneuve ever do? Ok he won a championship. But it was Buttonesque in its nature. He was never even a shadow of his uncle the great Gilles.
And his assessment of Kubica is unfair. He was the one growing up in the lower categories that Lewis had earmarked as his greatest rival of the future. Not Alonso, not Vettel, but Kubica. He says ''who ever got a comeback after six years' , as though Kubica took a voluntary break. Or retired and changed his mind. He was young, not some guy deciding he'd had enough of F1. He should shut his gob. People who have come back after accidents are twice the man he is. I'm talking about the likes of Johnny Herbert, Zinardi, Kubica, Billy Monger.
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Post by London on Sept 9, 2017 18:45:45 GMT
Trash talking as well by Jacques but I do agree with him on 2 things :
1 - Renault used Kubica for PR stuff knowing that they would never give him a second chance and it worked because people are empathic for the disabled persons. Kubica to Renault never made sense to me when they can have a 'valid' driver who is talented, already perform, has all his capacities and can improve because he has a margin of progression. 2 - Kubica is maybe a good driver but there is a lot of young drivers who deserve a seat in F1 and can't have a seat because they dont have the money like Gasly for example (Galael took all his FP1 practices for the rest of the season with Torro Rosso I believe because he has the money). They are the future not Kubica.
But yeah the way he said that (plus the context) isnt good for his image but as he said on Canal+ he doesnt care about that lol. He does his job by sharing his opinions after all, too harsh or not, trash or not.
Also Kubica took his place in 2006 with BMW after Mario Thiesen fired him. Maybe a bit rancorous he is.
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