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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 31, 2016 14:40:44 GMT
I think someone at Merc got confused by the word 'stopwatch' and stopped watching the 'timing device'
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Post by Wß on Jul 31, 2016 14:42:08 GMT
Why is it that the h8r FB groups and Forums are all quiet on weekends where Lewis pisses all over his teammate? Man, the butthurt is strong this weekend, and it's an entire month until the potential relief of a back of the grid start. Sigh...
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Post by Frontrunner on Jul 31, 2016 14:55:00 GMT
I hope you guys understand why I'm a closet Redbull fan...and barracking for them from Race 3 onwards. Redbull are currently Hamiltons best friends right now. I think the both Ric and Ves could have some input into the Lewis v Nico title now, Have a bad pit stop, crappy start, technical issue or just having a bad day and just plain slow, Either Merc driver (more likely Nico) can get stuck behind the RB's and lose more points in the WDC standings.
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Post by Wß on Jul 31, 2016 15:00:16 GMT
There's no way Lewis would have been stuck behind Verstappen for half the race on the easiest overtaking circuit on the calendar.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 31, 2016 15:02:54 GMT
Why is it that the h8r FB groups and Forums are all quiet on weekends where Lewis pisses all over his teammate? Man, the butthurt is strong this weekend, and it's an entire month until the potential relief of a back of the grid start. Sigh... The h8rz always need a few days to decide whether Nico is just a shit driver and Lewis is just a little less shit or that Lewis is a shit driver and Nico is being stiffled by team/stewards/max Maybe we will hear that with Nico being the cerebral one maybe the freeing up of the radio ban works against him, Id put my money on the extra 3 seconds in the pit cost him the win Talking of cerebral, its funny we have heard nothing of the cerebral Nico not negotiating a new contract himself and saving himself 20% off a smaller wage than Lewis negotiated by himself after reading the contract 1 page a week
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Post by stonemonkey on Jul 31, 2016 15:05:34 GMT
Actually it was more than 8 seconds, I believe...err what's the scottish chaps name who does the skybox commentary? He mentioned 8, but I felt it was incorrect since the stop watch showed Rosberg was stationary for 12 seconds! Which meant they had him there for almost 10 seconds because the stop itself wasn't so bad. Don't know what happened there, I think the guy timing it messed up quite badly. Yeah, 12 second stop overall, 4 seconds for the actual service and 8 seconds for sitting still without mechanics hands touching the car. McPish or DiResta?
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 31, 2016 15:11:49 GMT
For once Horner is close to the truth
Racecraft wise, one would have to say even young Max is ahead when it comes to 'cynical' defending
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Post by Hammer on Jul 31, 2016 15:33:06 GMT
Yeah, 12 second stop overall, 4 seconds for the actual service and 8 seconds for sitting still without mechanics hands touching the car. McPish or DiResta? Ha...I was thinking of DiResta but it isn't, but seeing his name reminded me.... it's Anthony Davidson.
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Post by stonemonkey on Jul 31, 2016 15:41:21 GMT
Ha...I was thinking of DiResta but it isn't, but seeing his name reminded me.... it's Anthony Davidson. He's not very Scottish.
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Post by Hammer on Jul 31, 2016 15:43:05 GMT
Yep he's very English, but I was thinking of DiResta for some reason.
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Post by racechick on Jul 31, 2016 15:52:01 GMT
They both went through a period of not being very keen on Lewis., maybe that's where the confusion arose?
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Post by Wß on Jul 31, 2016 19:03:09 GMT
After seeing this breakdown, I think there was less intent and more ineptitude to Nico's booting of Verstappen. I think he was never going to make the overtake and simply went entirely too long before braking but in a sense he still did what the penalty was for, pushing Verstappen out, so it was a case of him not ever going to complete that overtake cleanly and paid the price for then seeming to push Verstappen out. streamable.com/mh8iI do owe Nico an apology for calling him slimy, it turns out he was simply inept.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 31, 2016 19:38:24 GMT
Since Nicos 4 race win streak at the start of the season he has scored 98 points, The Red Bull drivers in an inferior car have scored 97 (Ricc) and 102 (Max)
Lewis has scored 160
Nico is a number 2 driver that has been flattered by the car
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Post by Hammer on Aug 1, 2016 9:56:22 GMT
I wish F1 could incorporate stuff like this before races for Championship contenders, its just going to spice up the races even more. We're missing so much of the undercurrent drama because of all the PR bizness stuff involved.
The first 1:20 of the vid is enough to do the trick.
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Post by Wß on Aug 1, 2016 14:19:27 GMT
Saw this shared today, it's the similar type of dirty push on corner entry that Rosberg has been trying to use. In this case it's Schumacher on Lewis and it's why there's no contact but clearly the same idea of how to execute this and get away with it. Hint, it involves both drivers staying on track and avoiding contact. The two things that Nico has gotten wrong.
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Post by Hammer on Aug 1, 2016 14:24:52 GMT
To be fair, Lewis has done this dirty trick on Nico a few times as well and later complained of understeer, USA last year, Canada this year both at the first corner. But the difference is running the car out wide AFTER making the corner.
Nico the Nitwit doesn't get it. He completely blocks the other car from even making the corner, and then makes the corner himself. Which makes it look ridiculous, and puts himself in an unforgivable position. Typical airhead trying to act tough but getting it wrong.
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Post by Wß on Aug 1, 2016 14:44:17 GMT
Corner exit is always considered tough but fair because 1 you've got the apex and inside line. 2 it's where the natural line would take you IF you had under steer! So it's considered racing not intent. Additionally we see crap ALL the time, but turn one incidents are hardly ever looked at because it would be pandemonium to do so since everyone is going every which way. Nico has actually never done that to Lewis on turn one because Lewis drives around it and avoids the contact where Nico doesn't... I guess to prove a point.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Aug 2, 2016 10:35:15 GMT
It's hard to hear the sounds coming from the Lewis vs. Michael battle and not miss those engine notes. A beautiful time in our F1 history.
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Post by the2ndcoming on Aug 4, 2016 12:01:41 GMT
Andrew Davies' "Team-mate Wars (Germany): In F1, the first person you have to beat is your team-mate. Andrew Davies’ Team-Mate Wars returns.Star of the RaceLewis Hamilton Overtaking Move of the RaceLap 1: Max Verstappen on Daniel Ricciardo Mercedes Race: Hamilton Season: Lewis Hamilton 8 – Nico Rosberg 4The lap Nico put in to grab pole position was one of his finest ever, given the pressure he was under. He had every excuse to come up short, the apprehension caused by an electronics failure on the first run, the fact that he was fuelled for a number of laps not just the solo banzai. And he managed what Lewis couldn’t do. The first ten seconds of the race was not so good and fourth place from Turn 1 stayed fourth place at the finish thanks to some canny pit-stops from the Red Bull team, combined with an overtaking move that could have been brilliant, but was ultimately flawed. He definitely caught Verstappen napping, he just didn’t have the confidence to battle it out at the exit of the turn. When people try and fail to overtake on the outside and get washed out to the edge of the track, that is just a racing incident. The car on the inside is taking the racing line and there’s not room for both of them. In Rosberg’s case at Hockenheim, he didn’t make the turn on the usual racing line, he drove off the racing line and kept driving straight on till he got to the outside of what is a super wide corner. It’s not exactly Paris-Dakar between the apex and the outside of the hairpin, but it’s a long way. When there was no more track left for Max Verstappen, Rosberg started to turn the steering wheel. It was inept and cost him two positions and six points. Hamilton up front managed the race from the moment he got through Turn 1. These days he is managing things so tightly that he’s given up putting in fastest laps for fun. Ferrari Race: Vettel Season: Vettel 8 – Raikkonen 4Raikkonen and Vettel were closely matched throughout the weekend, but whereas Kimi is prepared to put his head down and get on with it, Sebastian is beginning to query everything. You can understand he might be a bit wary after strategists took the Australian GP away from him, but the spoilt kid who won’t do what he’s told is re-emerging. Red Bull Race: Ricciardo Season: Ricciardo 4 – Verstappen 4What could have turned into a big pile of carbon fibre on the outside of Turn 1 on Lap 1 was actually translated into a glorious 2-3. It’s hard to say if Daniel got P2 through sheer driving merit, or because in the chess match of Red Bull vs Nico Rosberg, his option was faster. Max wailed on team radio about the super-softs, “this is not the race tyre,” but it was the adroitness of his team-mate in Turn 1 that kept them both in the race. Williams Race: Bottas Season: Bottas 8 – Massa 4Felipe had a poor qualifying and a worse race. Bottas fared slightly better, but looking at the timing sheets from around Lap 53 would have been scary for the Williams team because Valtteri was the first one into the 1:22s while all around him were doing 1:21s. It was soon obvious that his tyres were going and Williams decided he was beyond the point of going in for a pit-stop. In fact he wasn’t. In the laps afterwards he began losing a second a lap to Hulkenburg, then 1.5, then 2, then 3 seconds and worse. So a pit-stop would have helped. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. McLaren Race: Button Season: Button 4 – Alonso 7Jenson outqualified Fernando and though they circulated in close attendance, the No.14 car didn’t edge past the No.22. McLaren knew they would be marginal on fuel this race, but the team’s progress this year has been – and this is a word you probably didn’t expect after the 2015 debacle – inexorable. Fernando left Ferrari because he was fed up coming second, and last year you though that he’d made a pretty poor decision because the Mercedes-Ferrari gap was coming down. Now, with James Allison leaving Maranello and the team going backwards, he must be thinking a lot more positively. No more sunbathing in marshals’ folding chairs for him. Force India Race: Hulkenburg Season: Perez 6 – Hulkenburg 6Perez got a terrible start to compound the Hungarian GP’s terrible pit-stop. At the end of the season, the BBC used to give out a prize for the best start of the year (unofficially named the Felipe Massa Prize because he won it so much), but they should have one for the clunkers, too. Toro Rosso Race: Sainz Season: Sainz 7 – Kvyat 1Almost all the Team-mate battles are at 8-4 right now, but this one certainly won’t be pulled back to parity by the end of the year. Kvyat’s confidence has been shattered by his Red Bull treatment and his employers owe him a duty of care not to spit him out the other end of the driver programme, just like that. Daniil is clearly not a slow driver, but then again there was hardly much to choose between Daniel Ricciardo and Jean-Eric Vergne and look what happened there. Haas Race: Gutierrez Season: Gutierrez 4 – Grosjean 8Romain Grosjean is rapidly taking on the guise of F1’s moaniest driver. Jenson and Seb would have to be in anybody’s dream team, but Romain’s critiques on his car’s handling are now the highlight of a lot of F1 broadcasts. Conversly, you hardly ever hear Esteban moaning. It’s other people who do that about him.* *(Though that nice boy Lewis Hamilton had a word and apologised for the ‘cheery wave’ he gave him last time out). Renault Race: Magnussen Season: Palmer 4 – Magnussen 8Jolyon Palmer had the opportunity for a great result in Germany but stuffed his car up the back of Felipe Massa’s Williams after some abrupt braking caught him out at the hairpin. Manor Race: Wehrlein Season Wehrlein 8 – Haryanto 4Considering this is a track that Wehrlein knows very well, you kind of expected him to put more than two-tenths between himself and Haryanto in qualifying. Sauber Race: Nasr Season: Nasr 6 – Ericsson 6It’s nice to return to write this column and my one regular correspondent, Mr. G. Richardson of Long Ditton, has written in to ask me why I never put very much about the Sauber team. Well, Mr. Richardson, there is some great onboard footage on the official F1.com site of Felipe Nasr’s start which shows his team-mate clearing a path for him, like a Tour de France sprint lead-out man, and Felipe jumps four cars. ————————— Arse of the RaceMercedes’ pitcrew – for turning a 5-second penalty for Nico Rosberg into an 8.3-second penalty…because they couldn’t work a stopwatch. (Soon to have its own entry in Ripley’s Believe It or Not) My Start Went ‘Woof!’ – Perez – Force India Media WatchAllan McNish’s Adventures With Past Participles Talking about Fernando locking up: “That wasn’t the first time he’s did it.”Talking about Nico Rosberg’s attempts to run Max Verstappen off track: “It was similar to Austria in that he straighted him off.”Jenny Gow: “That Renault engine, or that Tag-Heuer unit, as they were calling it before they had a modicum of success.”
Allan McNish: “Sergio Perez has got a very light foot.”Jenny Gow reporting on Jenson Button’s Saturday trip to see the medics: “He was complaining of heat. I just hope Jenson doesn’t have chaffage in the posterior.”David Coulthard (not) talking about mature singles: “My granny was pretty racy I have to say.” Allan McNish: “I was trying to do it with elephants, 1 elephant, 2 elephants, 3 elephants and I got to six elephants…” And you know what he was counting out there.
————————— Such good reading, particularly the bits at the end.
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Post by Wß on Aug 4, 2016 16:01:58 GMT
-Hockenheim was Lewis’ first Start-Finish win this season, he s got 8 in total
-HAM got 2732 km in the lead VET 2677 Prost 2683. Only Senna 2931 and Schumacher 5111km got more.
-Record: in July HAM won 4 GPs, never anyone won 4 GPs in 1 month. In October there will be 4 races again.
-After the Mercedes clash in Spa 2014 HAM won 6 races and ROS 1. After the Spain 2016 collision.. HAM won 6, ROS 1.
-First time in F1 history 2 drivers won 4 races in a row. Till now the wdc would be the one who did win 4 in a row, but now that series will end
-Win number 49 in Hockenheim. Spa could be 50, Monza 51, equaling Prost's 51 wins.
-For the 40th time in F1 history the front row was silver (Mercedes)
-for the 3th race in a row the RBs started from row 2. On P5 always a Ferrari
-For the 7th time this season the polesitter wasn’t in the lead after lap 1
-RIC drove his 100th GP, 50 for RBR. Next on the list is GRO with 95 to reach the 100
-The last 4 races RIC finished 5th 4th 3rd 2nd….. So in Spa….?
-GUT drove his 50th GP, for the fourth time he finished 11th
- For the first time since Hungaroring 2015 RBR got 2 drivers on the podium
-Hockenheim was the 50th GP of the new Turbo era. 47 of them a Mercedes was on pole
-ERI started for the 2nd time in a German GP, in both he started form 22nd and finished in 18th
-A first for Sauber, first time they started from the last row
-VET always finished in the points at a German GP
-Only 2 retirements in Hockenheim, both Brazilian and both named Felipe
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