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Post by stonemonkey on Nov 27, 2016 17:49:45 GMT
Pissed Off with F1 right now. Is this really worth expending energy on? Most undeserving champion ever....oh hang on, there's Button. Close call. Don't worry, Lewis will destroy him next year. I want to hear nicos radio asking the team to tell lewis to let him pass lol.
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Post by LRW on Nov 27, 2016 22:01:14 GMT
To be honest, Nico deserves the championship.
He was there to pick up the points when Hamilton had mechanical failures. He was there picking up the wins and points when Hamilton had all his shit starts.
You can't blame Lewis for trying all he did to back up Nico. It was his last chance to win the championship.
There will be another championship next year.
But for now, this is Nicos year.
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Post by stonemonkey on Nov 27, 2016 23:28:00 GMT
He did pick himself up well after the summer break when it looked like he might fall apart, he deserves it but he put everything he had into it which wouldnt have been enough on an equal footing. I did enjoy lewis making him fill his overalls in the last 10 laps though.
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Post by dogued on Nov 28, 2016 7:57:41 GMT
All hail the mighty Nico! *ahem* Anyway, spent most of the second half of the race explaining to people why there was nothing wrong with what Lewis was doing. Funny enough, many of the ones pouring hate on Lewis for backing Nico up are the same ones who would have cheered Schumacher's moves on Hill and Villenueve! For me, Lewis DID take a moral victory in not trying to emulate past F1 legends by taking out his rival. Nico has been a great #2 driver this year, and reaped the reward. Weber could have had a WDC too if he had been this consistent: winning where he could and taking max points where he couldn't win. Anyway, the race iteslf was interesting rather than exciting. Would have loved to have seen RBR put max on SS tyres at his stop then a short US stint like Vettel at the end, but RBR really have let themselves down on the pit wall this season. They played as big a part in Nico having that points cushion as Lewis's engines! GOOD NEWS! Only 91 days till the 1st test!
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Post by Wß on Nov 28, 2016 13:33:51 GMT
That just about sums it up @ dogued I was going to write a little about it myself but what's there to say. Nico is a WDC and in the end that's all that matters. I couldn't be happier with the way Lewis drove this year and the decisions he made during the season. When you look around the record books and see names like Senna, Schumacher and Prost around your name, that's reminder enough not to fret over a missed 4th championship. It will come.
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Post by Hammer on Nov 28, 2016 14:26:44 GMT
I dearly wish it comes in a Redbull. Max and Lewis at Redbull led by Horner - dream team.
Let Max be WDC in 2017, Lewis VS Max in 2018. That will make up for this crappy season.
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Post by Hammer on Nov 28, 2016 14:34:27 GMT
Christian Horner: Lewis Hamilton did nothing wrong in Abu Dhabi
YAS MARINA, Abu Dhabi -- Red Bull boss Christian Horner defended Lewis Hamilton's tactics at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, saying the Englishman "didn't do anything dirty" while backing Nico Rosberg into other cars.
Hamilton spent the latter part of the race driving well below the maximum in an attempt to back Rosberg into the chasing Sebastian Vettel and Nico Rosberg, knowing his teammate would win the title with a podium finish. After the race Hamilton insisted he had been within his rights to drive in that manner, though Vettel accused the three-time world champion of "dirty tricks" and Mercedes remained divided on the issue.
When asked what he would have done if he was Mercedes boss Toto Wolff, Horner made a playful dig at his phone call to Max Verstappen ahead of the Brazilian Grand Prix before defending Hamilton's tactics.
"We know that Toto likes to control most things in the paddock, including other team's drivers!" Horner said. "You couldn't expect anything different. They are racing for a world championship. The drivers' world championship. There are only two guys in it and they are both in the same car. Lewis, winning the race was never going to be enough for him today."
Horner thinks Hamilton did everything legal he could do to win the world championship.
"He drove a tactical race and he didn't do anything dirty, he didn't do anything against the rules. It would be unfair to criticize Lewis for the way that he drove. It was obvious coming into the weekend that was his only chance of achieving the result that he wanted. It would be unfair to criticise him."
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I see a bunch of pansies elsewhere actually calling Lewis' defensive driving "DIRTY"....unbelievable. Its like these guys just don't get what competition means and what an athlete is trying to achieve in his space. Are they that thick? Or does the hate just blind the basic facts of what Lewis was doing?
And the worst part? That 2faced b!tch that tries to run the whole stage like his own puppetshow actually said suspending/penalizing Lewis is "not off the table". What a pr!ck. After all that gungho "we will not interfere"...."let the best man win"....blah blah bloody bullshit. How he even got this team boss position from being almost invisible in Williams, I'll never understand.
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Post by Wß on Nov 28, 2016 16:00:59 GMT
I see a bunch of pansies elsewhere actually calling Lewis' defensive driving "DIRTY"....unbelievable. I think a lot of it has to do with Lewis having more haters than Nico has fans. Places like the offer nothing but a circle jerk of hatred and it's it's best if you simply don't spend much time staring at the train wreck, it will just make you feel sorry and icky at the same time. All joy is sucked out of life when all there's for dinner is soggy and undercooked bread.
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Post by racechick on Nov 29, 2016 8:27:39 GMT
Haven't even looked at the in months. Same old, same old bullshit and crap. Vettel I see is criticising Hamilton. No surprise there. And well, well, well. Horner is defending him. Courting him? He's absolutely right though. Hamilton has done nothing wrong, nothing illegal. He's used tactics superbly to try to win a championship. If he'd been racing anyone but Rosberg, Lauda and co would supporting him and praising him to the hilt. BASTARDS! TWO FACED BASTARDS!
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Post by Wß on Nov 30, 2016 1:38:41 GMT
Sometimes people tell you what they really mean when they're trying to tell you otherwise. That italics section that Paddy is being quoted in, on a number of occasions they were explicit in telling Rosberg that P3 was okay, in other words don't fight too hard for P2 and risk your championship.
Why tell Rosberg that when the line of bullshit you're giving the media is that you're trying to win the race. If you're trying to WIN THE RACE... than you have your P2 man make life difficult so your P1 man doesn't come under attack. But the narrative I fear was decided early on, and I've also based on this final straw, I've concluded based on all the circumstantial evidence, with the addition of this one statement from Paddy, that Rosberg was to be the champion for 2016 and he is.
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Post by dogued on Nov 30, 2016 9:59:20 GMT
Lewis was NEVER going to not win this race. Look at his lap chart, he was nailing to within a tenth the times he needed when he needed them. I actually LOL'd when I heard the radio reply "I'm quite comfortable where I am"!
I was thinking after, they need the season final to be elsewhere. Abu Dhabi is too predictable with weather and lack of safety cars for it to give us a "thrilling" final.
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Post by LRW on Nov 30, 2016 10:04:22 GMT
So, like, Brazil maybe.....
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Post by Hammer on Nov 30, 2016 11:06:10 GMT
Brazil was always (rightfully) the last race until these oil magnates came over and demanded to put their glorified parking lot as the season ending venue.
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Post by Hammer on Nov 30, 2016 13:38:57 GMT
This old man, he played knick knack paddy whack on my....
Sir Jackie Stewart says Mercedes should punish 'little ballerina' Lewis Hamilton
Sir Jackie Stewart has labelled Lewis Hamilton a "little ballerina" for his tactics at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, which he believes warranted a punishment from Mercedes.
In the closing stages of the championship showdown, a desperate Hamilton attempted to back Nico Rosberg into Sebastian Vettel and Max Verstappen in a bid to win the title by pushing his rival out of podium contention. The tactic failed and left Mercedes in two minds about whether to punish Hamilton, who ignored a team order from executive director (technical) Paddy Lowe to speed up in the closing stages.
Hamilton's driving has been defended by Red Bull boss Christian Horner and Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen, though Sebastian Vettel accused the Mercedes driver of employing "dirty tricks". Stewart thinks his fellow countryman and three-time world champion deserves to be punished.
"I think he [Hamilton] can be a little ballerina," Stewart told the Press Association. "Toto Wolff and Niki Lauda are not stupid people, and neither is the Mercedes chairman who often comes to grands prix.
"You cannot threaten a multi-national corporation of that size by one man who is just not doing it the right way. Give him the option of 'either do it our way or you have to be excused'."
Sutton Images Stewart says Hamilton, the best-paid driver in Formula One, has no excuse for disobeying a team order, even if a world championship is at stake.
"Lewis was refusing their instructions, and he was going against the management team. Now, I am sorry, but when you are paid between 20 and 30 million pounds a year and you are told to do something you have got to do it. I don't care who you are."
Though Mercedes is unsure how to deal with Hamilton's actions, Stewart thinks the punishment should be meaningful enough to deter him from doing anything similar again.
"It is not the first time he has gone against instructions, and if he is going to continue to do that they have the choice of dropping him. He only does 21 races a year. It is no big deal. We worked our asses off [in the old days] to make decent money, and they don't even do much testing now.
"Mercedes may just give him another heavy warning, but if they do that they would then have to say 'this is what is going to happen the next time you disobey orders'. Another way would be to penalise him financially."
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I see people wishing death on Bernie Ecclestone everywhere and I never understand why when this old blown up racist motherf**ker is still alive and spewing horseshit in every known direction whenever Lewis is concerned.
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Post by Wß on Nov 30, 2016 13:42:50 GMT
The response to Paddy should have been... I'm afraid to go faster, my engine might blow up.
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Post by racechick on Nov 30, 2016 16:10:02 GMT
I don't have polite words for what I'd like to tell Jackie Stewart to do!
The impolite version has three words g* f*** y*******
( had to edit that cos got it wrong the first time...was so incensed )
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Post by Wß on Dec 5, 2016 12:43:31 GMT
On a number of occasions we've seen Mercedes make bizare calls, on tire strategy, pit stops. It's clear they don't understand the animal they have in Hamilton, and the computer thinks both drivers are Nico. Nothing illustrates that more than the last line here.
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Post by racechick on Dec 5, 2016 13:24:03 GMT
Are they dumb? Lewis knew what he could pull out if he needed to. He knew he had every car covered. Why can't they trust him?
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Post by RyRy on Dec 7, 2016 9:41:19 GMT
Are they dumb? Lewis knew what he could pull out if he needed to. He knew he had every car covered. Why can't they trust him? They're not in the car, they can't feel what Hamilton is feeling. He had been cruising and had a shit ton of tyre and fuel left in his car, if he was under threat he would respond and go faster but he wasn't under threat. The fact that Hamilton could pretty much always pull out 2-3 tenths in sector 1 alone goes to show he was only pushing when he needed to (trying to stop Rosberg from getting DRS), sure sector 1 (mainly turn 1 and 2) cars following struggle with the dirty air but not 3 tenths worth, they'll lose about a tenth. Even if Vettel had got passed, Hamilton had plenty left to quickly attack and re-overtake.
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Post by Wß on Dec 7, 2016 13:40:46 GMT
It was a master class in controlling a race. I'm just sorry that all the incessant instructions from the pit and the ignorance of some fools claiming that Hamilton was driving "dirty" took the focus away from the talent it took to do exactly what he did.
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