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Post by Frontrunner on Mar 8, 2017 0:26:42 GMT
Honda could really do with supplying another team with its engines, its really is the only way to move their progress forward quicker. The first few GP's or more could be testing sessions again instead of actually just racing.
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Post by Hammer on Mar 8, 2017 3:53:26 GMT
Well, McLaren insisted on having exclusivity to all of Hondas problems and they're getting it.
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Post by RyRy on Mar 8, 2017 10:41:00 GMT
My thoughts so far...
- Honda still look shite! - Renault & Hass have stepped their game up and look like solid midfield teams who are going to be battling with Toro Rosso & Force India. - Williams looks like they're the 3rd/4th best car with Red Bull. - Ferrari look to have an upperhand over Mercedes but I would assume Mercedes are sandbagging, Ferrari often go more aggressive in testing.
EDIT: scratch that, Bottass just put an end ot the sandbags a little, he just set a 1:19.310 on supersofts.
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Post by Wß on Mar 8, 2017 13:34:32 GMT
I think the Mercedes PU has as much distance to the rest of the other manufacturers hp and torque numbers as it did on day one 2014.
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Post by stonemonkey on Mar 8, 2017 17:04:37 GMT
What the dyno can't do is simulate the multi directional G loads and how they'll affect the fluid/lubricant flows. They are really struggling. I hope they can get it figured out... they have less than three weeks now. What I meant was that the engine changes might be planned, giving them more used engines to analyse.
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Post by Hammer on Mar 8, 2017 17:15:56 GMT
What the dyno can't do is simulate the multi directional G loads and how they'll affect the fluid/lubricant flows. They are really struggling. I hope they can get it figured out... they have less than three weeks now. What I meant was that the engine changes might be planned, giving them more used engines to analyse. Whoa...McLaren needs that positivity right there! Though I have to ask...why would they plan to test a few variations of engines. Wouldn't Honda make sure they design the best engine possible before testing began? Why design few flawed engines which will only waste time and money?
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Post by stonemonkey on Mar 8, 2017 18:16:15 GMT
Well they've only got data from one team and I'm not suggesting the engines might be completely different, possibly different components and settings. Who knows, maybe they have designed a few different engines, the Brawn car of 2009 was one of three Honda designed for that season and wasn't even the best.
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Post by Wß on Mar 8, 2017 18:25:43 GMT
What the dyno can't do is simulate the multi directional G loads and how they'll affect the fluid/lubricant flows. They are really struggling. I hope they can get it figured out... they have less than three weeks now. What I meant was that the engine changes might be planned, giving them more used engines to analyse. Which is why I mention G loads. The first day issue smelled of oil starvation to me, something that could be easily miscalculated, starving the engine of critical oil flow after reaching a certain G load. The problems Honda are having are real and they're spectacular and they're being made more difficult to troubleshoot through a lack of data from multiple sources.
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Post by Wß on Mar 8, 2017 18:37:21 GMT
Nice onboard of Bottas' fast time for today. Car looks pretty stable.
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Post by RyRy on Mar 8, 2017 23:18:25 GMT
Nice onboard of Bottas' fast time for today. Car looks pretty stable. Oh damn, that looked very stable and there's still plenty of time left in that car! 130R and Eau Rouge are both going to be easy flat out for every single team! I like that Liberty Media are doing a lot of good already, relaxing social media rules, giving fans more content. I wonder next year or so if we'll get some online streams for F1 testing
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Post by Hammer on Mar 9, 2017 3:03:29 GMT
When you listen to what Fonzi has to say, you can't help but feel you'd never buy another Honda in your life.
BARCELONA, Spain -- Fernando Alonso says McLaren's Honda power unit is the only problem the team has after another day of limited mileage during pre-season testing.
In three days of testing, Alonso has completed just 148 laps of the Circuit de Catalunya, one less than Mercedes managed between its two drivers on Wednesday alone. With just two days of testing left before the first race in Australia, Alonso said it was clear where the problem was.
"We have only one problem: that is the power unit," he said. "There is no reliability and there is no power. I think we are 30 km/h down on every straight. When you are 30 km/h down on every straight, it is difficult also to have a feeling on the car. Everything feels good, but when you arrive to normal speed you don't know what is going to happen.
"[Analysing] the chassis side is difficult because we are not pushing probably the speed that the others are doing because of a lack of power. The chassis everything feels good, everything feels under control. The car is responding well to changes and everything is working fine. I'm happy with the balance, I'm happy with how I attack the corner. I'm enjoying driving this car, so I don't think that we are too far back in terms of chassis side."
Honda has suffered mechanical and electrical problems with the power unit and discovered a design flaw with the oil tank on the first day. Combined with the usual setbacks in testing, Alonso said McLaren is now lagging well behind its rivals.
"Every lap we do we are improving the situation slowly," he said. "The oil tank was quite an amateur problem that we had that day and then from day one we keep unlocking a little bit the situation in terms of power and in terms of reliability. With more laps you discover other things; temperature in the rear caliper or bodywork that is not properly tight -- things that normally you discover in day one or day two of winter testing.
"As we do 40 laps every day we are in day two of testing and discovering those things. Nothing to worry for Australia, I guess, because the team will be ready to compete at a good level and the only question mark is how much power we will have."
Alonso said that as of Wednesday, Honda was actually down on power compared to last year but is confident more power would come for the Australia race-spec engine.
"This is not the Australia-spec engine but it's an evolution from what we had last week. For Australia we'll have a different evolution, so from that point of view there's still hope to gain some power and reliability with the final version. But last week's spec didn't deliver the results expected and this week's spec is also going bellow expectations. For Australia we'll have to hope for more, we have to be hopeful because the last two specs we worked with didn't match our expectations. We'll see.
"As of today we may have even less power than last year, but we're running with settings that are not even close to the ones we'll use in Australia, for different reasons, for different problems we have in the engine. The full power of our engine won't be seen until we all the problems we are experiencing are sorted."
Asked where exactly the Honda power unit was lacking, Alonso added: "I don't know, it's a question for Honda where they are lacking power. I am not an engineer or an engine designer yet, maybe in the future ... but I don't think it is a deployment issue because many straights here, so in one straight or another you deploy until the braking zone and you lose 30 or 40 km/h in every straight."
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Post by dogued on Mar 9, 2017 3:30:42 GMT
Are Honda in trouble? Maybe....
They have stated that they are NOT running the race spec engine they plan to use in Australia yet. The failures in test 1 were a stupidly designed oil tank (amateur as Alonso says), and electronic. Test 2 has seen 2 problems, Stroll's was electrical and I haven't yet seen what Alonso had wrong on Wednesday. I get the reason for changing Stroll's engine was to save time and go over the engine back at HQ, but it does look bad when you have gone through more engines than there have been test days! Having said that, we don't know if other teams are swapping engines overnight or what they are playing at.
My hope is that Honda will put the final version engine in on day 4 of this test, run 120 laps, and show some purple sectors towards the end of the day (or at least post a 1:20 lap time.)
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Post by Hammer on Mar 9, 2017 3:39:19 GMT
That doesn't make sense to me....wouldn't this simply stagnate chassis and aero development? They're running slower than they should on the straights, I'm sure it's not on purpose. If Honda say they aren't running a "Melbourne spec" engine, well then nobody is. But they're running engines which would at least give them a good basis to learn about the car as a whole, not just the engine. And for that you need to run in real time at representative speeds, which McLaren isn't. And they've wasted a week already. So I think Honda is definitely in trouble, again.
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Post by Frontrunner on Mar 9, 2017 3:43:45 GMT
The Bottas lap is a little frightening to watch, looks very stable as already mentioned but I feel most of the top teams will have very stable cars similar to the Merc with these new rules and regs. My biggest concerns is engine power and how much more Mercedes can turn the wick up.
I friggin hope Ferrari and Renault especially ain't too far behind on the Merc PU.
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Post by Wß on Mar 9, 2017 4:26:29 GMT
Are Honda in trouble? Maybe.... They have stated that they are NOT running the race spec engine they plan to use in Australia yet. The failures in test 1 were a stupidly designed oil tank (amateur as Alonso says), and electronic. Test 2 has seen 2 problems, Stroll's was electrical and I haven't yet seen what Alonso had wrong on Wednesday. I get the reason for changing Stroll's engine was to save time and go over the engine back at HQ, but it does look bad when you have gone through more engines than there have been test days! Having said that, we don't know if other teams are swapping engines overnight or what they are playing at. My hope is that Honda will put the final version engine in on day 4 of this test, run 120 laps, and show some purple sectors towards the end of the day (or at least post a 1:20 lap time.) Ferrari stated they purposely went the entirety of the first test on one engine.
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Post by stonemonkey on Mar 9, 2017 10:17:06 GMT
Oh well, there goes my optimism just like the Honda engine... Bang!
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Post by Wß on Mar 9, 2017 12:00:28 GMT
Remember they get four PUs this year last year's fifth was due to the number of races.
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Post by Frontrunner on Mar 9, 2017 12:10:51 GMT
The Mclaren has stopped twice this morning on track, dear oh dear. Also looks thats Vettel/Ferrari are up to sandbagging tactics and could easily be in the 1.18s if they wanted to this morning, Vettel killing it in Sector 1 and 2 then slowing up in sector 3, Has Merc got a real challenger this year?
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Post by Wß on Mar 9, 2017 12:31:31 GMT
Has Merc got a real challenger this year? I'm going to go out on a stout limb and say that Ferrari will challenge them in the first half and Red Bull will challenge them in the second half. Neither will be close come Abu Dhabi.
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Post by Wß on Mar 9, 2017 12:43:33 GMT
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