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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 20:09:26 GMT
You telling me you are unable to control your cars speed going down hill?
Fuck me. We've a forum full of victims not willing to take ownership for their own errors.
Waaaa waaaa waaaa. The government and po-po are out to get me. It's a conspiracy.
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Post by ichabod on Mar 20, 2017 20:11:20 GMT
I can see your point but there are vast differences between events and the reason a policeman would have discretion is for just such differences. In your example the guy not only was speeding but also broke the law with an elevated BAL. There's the law, and in that case the law would be clear. But a judge's job is not to make an example of someone it's to be consistent and rule according to the law. I was in no way trying to compare what happened to me with a 5mph speeding infringement, more trying to explain the reason I think the way I do. It's the boxer analogy that is more pertinent, at least in the U.K. If a boxer hit somebody deliberately outside of the ring they would face a stiffer penalty than a plumber who lost their temper and hit someone. And I think that the same should apply to a professional racing driver caught speeding enough times to amass 12 points And thinking about it now, maybe Susie has faced a stiffer penalty, Joe the plumber may have only been banned for three months,  still I would have banned her for longer |
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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 20:14:42 GMT
Would you all be defending Toto with as much vigour ?
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Post by ichabod on Mar 20, 2017 20:15:52 GMT
The speed limit is the same going downhill as it is going uphill, and the driver is still the one pressing the pedals
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Post by Wß on Mar 20, 2017 20:22:40 GMT
Let those without sin cast the first stone.
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Post by racechick on Mar 20, 2017 20:27:04 GMT
I 100% disagree with your viewpoint RC. How are the courses a scam? They are generally the same price as a speeding fine, and mean you don't get points or a hike in premiums. And why would you argue with the people running the course ? Are you one of these people on the course that always think they are right and have no right being there as they have been hard done by ? No I'm not one of those people. I've never been stopped for speeding. It's a scam because the police keep the money. |
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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 20:28:26 GMT
Hahaha. Dude. Seriously. I'm in no way a perfect driver. I've plenty of sin and have admitted to such.
I can just admit my mistakes and not playbthe victim when I'm caught.
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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 20:30:02 GMT
I 100% disagree with your viewpoint RC. How are the courses a scam? They are generally the same price as a speeding fine, and mean you don't get points or a hike in premiums. And why would you argue with the people running the course ? Are you one of these people on the course that always think they are right and have no right being there as they have been hard done by ? No I'm not one of those people. I've never been stopped for speeding. It's a scam because the police keep the money. So you are slagging off a course that you have never been on ? The money goes to the treasury. End of. The local police force get a small cut to cover costs. |
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Post by Wß on Mar 20, 2017 20:57:22 GMT
If I got stopped they'd burn me at the stake, not just take my license.That's why I dont do it above the prescribed formula I shared.
Also take into consideration that a two lane road in the UK is about as wide as half a lane here in the states.
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Post by racechick on Mar 20, 2017 21:20:04 GMT
No I'm not one of those people. I've never been stopped for speeding. It's a scam because the police keep the money. So you are slagging off a course that you have never been on ? The money goes to the treasury. End of. The local police force get a small cut to cover costs. I know a few people who've been on courses , and a couple of police friends, all confirm similar experiences. Im pretty certain revenue from these courses is split between the police and the course providers not the treasury. |
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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 21:33:55 GMT
The money for the courses, I don't know about. I just know the speed fine money goes to the treasury consolidated fund.
I've been on two courses. Both times I found them easy going, and very informative. And the only people that argued on the courses were people that thought they were better than the rest and that the law doesn't apply to them.
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Post by Hammer on Mar 21, 2017 2:42:33 GMT
I'm curious to find out view points here. I know you don't have much choice...if you get caught, you pay up the fine whatever it is.
But suppose you get pulled over, and the cop is a 'biznessman'. He says if he goes by the law, you pay 200 pounds or wtv.....OR you can just pay him about 50 pounds and you can drive away and have done no wrong.
Would you pay the 50?
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Post by Hammer on Mar 21, 2017 2:50:00 GMT
Would you all be defending Toto with as much vigour ? Change title to Maldonado for thread carnage.  |
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Post by LRW on Mar 21, 2017 6:06:54 GMT
I'm curious to find out view points here. I know you don't have much choice...if you get caught, you pay up the fine whatever it is. But suppose you get pulled over, and the cop is a 'biznessman'. He says if he goes by the law, you pay 200 pounds or wtv.....OR you can just pay him about 50 pounds and you can drive away and have done no wrong. Would you pay the 50? No. But bribing the police is such an off the wall idea here, it would freak most of us out if the cops offered that option. PLUS I wouldn't trust the police not to still issue a speeding fine after he'd taken the £50. |
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Post by Hammer on Mar 21, 2017 6:14:44 GMT
LOL it would freak us out here if a cop just gave us the actual fine without offering the bribe option.
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Post by racechick on Mar 21, 2017 8:14:38 GMT
In the UK police don't fine on the spot. They issue tickets ( I guess you could try to bribe them not to) I'd be highly suspicious of a police officer offering the chance to be let off with a cash payment.
But by far the most people caught for speeding is through cameras. Then you get the chance to go on the above mentioned speed awareness course and save licence points. Police like this because they gain money to the tune of 50 odd million a year. So I guess you could say thats an official police blacmail scheme.
Police do fine on the spot in France. And in France I believe it's also legal to hide speed cameras. That has just been outlawed in UK, they have to be painted yellow. Which I think is a good thing if the name of the game is slowing down drivers rather than making money from them.
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Post by LRW on Mar 21, 2017 8:58:14 GMT
I just don't get how you can class it as blackmail.
It's an option. You can take the £100 fine, 3 points and hiked insurance premiums OR you can take the 1/2 hour course and pay £90ish quid.
The easier option is. Don't speed.
I've been caught speeding 3 times in my life. All by mobile vans.
And another thing. They can only place cameras / vans in places where there have been major accidents / incidents over the previous 3 years. They CANNOT just place them where they think they will make buckets of cash.
I know you are currently going through a period of thinking everything is a lie and every institution is corrupt - But some things can be taken at face value.
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Post by racechick on Mar 21, 2017 9:36:09 GMT
They don't only place cameras in black spots. Motorways and duel carriageways are our safest roads and their littered with them. Why do mobile vans sit on bridges over motorways? This is Scotland, but that same applies to England. Alex Johnstone, Scottish Conservative transport spokesman, said: “If speed cameras were designed to save lives, we’d place them outside schools and in other built-up residential areas. “Instead, they’re situated where these partnerships know they can get the most money from them. Our motorways and dual carriageways are actually the safest types of roads. That’s proof that cameras are not there to make roads safer, they exist to hit motorists in the pocket.” Chief Superintendent David O’Connor, president of Asps, said the location of cameras on motorway bridges was like “shooting fish in a barrel” because of the number of vehicles driving under them at close to or over the limit. “We need to make sure that the public perception of speed cameras is not that it is all about making money,” he said. “Of course speeding on the motorway is dangerous, but these are not accident black spots. There must be more flexibility and maybe it’s time to review safety cameras and how they’re located across Scotland.” Read more at: www.scotsman.com/news/politics/police-claim-speed-cameras-just-a-cash-cow-1-3316404 |
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Post by RyRy on Mar 21, 2017 9:36:29 GMT
They can only place cameras / vans in places where there have been major accidents / incidents over the previous 3 years. They CANNOT just place them where they think they will make buckets of cash. That's completely wrong, there's a few near me that have had no incidents and have cameras because they are easy spots to catch out speeding drivers. Most of them are close to where the speeds change so I agree with RC on this bit. Yet, you look at the road less than 5 mins walk from me, over the year there is probably 20+ rolled cars many many more incidents because the speed limit is set WAY too high, it's a 50 road! It should be a 30 at max and even then you could still easily lose control of your car in the wet, even with the "high grip" surface they put down a few years ago. I don't think any road car could take the turns at 50. There's another road near me that is a 50 and has loads of incidents, the cars see that it's a 50 and speed up. Cars start to speed up going up a bit of a hill that curves left, at the top of the hill it's a bit bumpy and it unsettles cars and they end up losing control or they spin into the opposite side of the road. What's worse is that it's two roads merging into 1 so some cars are going even faster than they would normally so they can merge safely. That needs speed cameras and the speed reduced down to 40 max I see police vans hiding in all sorts of places, there's also a round about near me that if you take one exit you go down a pretty steep hill that merges onto the motorway, cops quite often sit down a little private lane and those going a little over the speed limit at the end of merging will get a ticket. |
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Post by LRW on Mar 21, 2017 10:35:21 GMT
It's not wrong. It's 100% the law.
Just because YOU are unaware of accidents, it doesn't mean they haven't happened.
You lot are fucking idiots some days.
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