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Post by racechick on Mar 19, 2017 13:45:12 GMT
Susie has lost her appeal against a conviction for speeding, apparently she already had 9 points on her licence for previous speeding offences, when her latest indescretion took her over the limit and resulted in a ban. She appealed claiming the ban would damage her charity work and her work for 'Dare to be different ' which encourages young girls into motor sport. 'I'm not a girl racer', she claimed, 'I save that for the racetrack'. One has to agree with her, she was doing 35mph in a 30 mph zone www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39304047
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Post by LRW on Mar 19, 2017 17:01:04 GMT
Well themes the rules.
If she has be caught speeding 4 times in 3 years she is careless and deserves to lose her license.
She can afford to get a chauffeur.
5mph makes a lot of difference when hitting a human body.
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Post by Wß on Mar 19, 2017 19:16:27 GMT
Susie has lost her appeal against a conviction for speeding, apparently she already had 9 points on her licence for previous speeding offences, when her latest indescretion took her over the limit and resulted in a ban. She appealed claiming the ban would damage her charity work and her work for 'Dare to be different ' which encourages young girls into motor sport. 'I'm not a girl racer', she claimed, 'I save that for the racetrack'. One has to agree with her, she was doing 35mph in a 30 mph zone www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39304047That's the harshest fine I've ever seen. I mean if its legit, that cop had a bug up their ass.
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Post by LRW on Mar 19, 2017 23:08:29 GMT
How is it harsh ?
She tries to use the excuse she is a "role model" for young women, and losing her licence would damage her reputation.
Well maybe she should be a role model and drive safer.
Look don't get me wrong. We can all drive stupid at times. And I currently have 3 points for 34mph in a 30.
BUT if you are already on 9 points and your licence is critical to your job, you are über careful. I drive like a granny at the moment.
I like Susie - but this defending her is bullshit.
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Post by LRW on Mar 19, 2017 23:14:31 GMT
And I'd put money on the fact she was caught by a camera, not a cop. Especially because it was a 30zone.
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Post by racechick on Mar 19, 2017 23:51:20 GMT
And where do they generally position those cameras? Where they can make the most money. It's a massive money making machine. Especially the new stealth cameras on motorways. They've doubled police income from speeding fines where they've been installed. Police even admit its a money maker they rely on.
I agree that speed needs to be restricted and managed but Inconsistencies in speed limits on roads make a mockery of the system. It's worse than an FIA rule book.
Susie should have been more careful on 9 points but come on, 5 mph? And you can bet your life the camera was placed at exactly where it changes from 40 to 30. Or there's no indication in the road what speed you should be doing, I've encountered that. No speed limit sign anywhere in sight.
And there's a 10% waiver on going over a limit, so she was barely over.
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Post by Wß on Mar 20, 2017 0:38:54 GMT
How is it harsh ? She tries to use the excuse she is a "role model" for young women, and losing her licence would damage her reputation. Well maybe she should be a role model and drive safer. Look don't get me wrong. We can all drive stupid at times. And I currently have 3 points for 34mph in a 30. BUT if you are already on 9 points and your license is critical to your job, you are über careful. I drive like a granny at the moment. I like Susie - but this defending her is bullshit. I do 42 in a 35. 67 in a 55 and 75 in a 65. You can drive right by a cop and they won't even blink. That's harsh for 5 MPH over. There's variances, even going down hill, a wonky speedo, having to avoid something. I'd expect a ticket for a 30 MPH zone for doing 45, MAYBE 40 but not 35. And here I thought the Brits were progressive, I mean we have 300 million guns, but we're reasonable when it comes to speeding.
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Post by RyRy on Mar 20, 2017 1:57:11 GMT
And where do they generally position those cameras? Where they can make the most money. It's a massive money making machine. Especially the new stealth cameras on motorways. They've doubled police income from speeding fines where they've been installed. Police even admit its a money maker they rely on. There's a slight curve in the road near me where people often go 5-10 mph over the speed limit because it should be a faster road really but isn't because there is a play park close by even though it's fairly safe and a driver speeding could comfortably see and spot any child that decides to be stupid and try and cross the road and thus spot. Part of the problem is there is maybe 1000m~ of 40mph, then it drops to 30mph on the slight curve (opposite the play park) for maybe 500m and then it goes back up to 40mph. At least once a month you'll see a cop car hiding behind a bush, the police must make a shit ton of money from it. And there's a 10% waiver on going over a limit, so she was barely over. The thing is the 10% waiver is only there to make sure that it only issues tickets for someone who is speeding because occasionally you might go a few mph over the limit and occasionally car speedometers are slightly wrong. The vast majority of road cars will have their speedometers already set 10% over the actual speed so if it says you're going 30mph you're actually going 27mph, so being over the limit by 5mph means you're actually over by about 8mph. The waiver isn't a permission to go 10% over the limit, it's to protect you from getting tickets willy nilly for going over the speedlimit by 0.1mph lol
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Post by Hammer on Mar 20, 2017 6:22:47 GMT
I do a 140-160km/h in 110 zones because the "AES" system as they call it here are still newly installed and unreliable. They just announced a few months ago that they'd be resetting the system because of unreliability and are now back in operation. I checked out my car file online few weeks back and have speeding fines amounting to RM1200 (200-250 per fine) dating back from 2011. But I've had no issues renewing my road tax every year. And there's no docking of driver points either. Though they've 'talked' about implementing it since 2-3 years back. Which is why....if you want a better life, live in Malaysia.
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Post by dogued on Mar 20, 2017 8:52:36 GMT
You want harsh... trying living here in Victoria (Australia)! Ours is the only state in the country where a variance of +-3km/hr hold for ALL detected readings. Despite the manufacturers stating car speedometers are only accurate to 10%. In NSW I was caught doing 114km/hr in a 100 zone, allowance of 10% meant I was written up for being "officially" 4km/hr over, which gave me a "no more than 10km/h over" fine and 1 point. The same speed in VIC, with the allowance of 3km/h, gives you a reading of 111km/h meaning a "10km/h - 24km/h over" fine and 3 points.
Go up to 123km/h in a 110km/h zone, and you'll get off most of the time (unless a fixed camera) in NSW, but be stung for 10km/h over in VIC.
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Post by ichabod on Mar 20, 2017 17:32:54 GMT
Susie has 2 previous convictions for speeding and one of them must have been a serious breech as a standard fixed penalty is 3 points, so she must have been summonsed to court and given a harsher penalty than the standard. I think the Judge was right to ban Susie, I would have banned her for longer to make an example of her, If a professional boxer hits somebody in a bar brawl the punishment would be harsher than if they were a plumber, so I think that a professional racing driver should face a harsher punishment for breaking the rules of the road. And trying to get off with it because it would have an effect on her reputation is laughable, you're a professional driver Susie you know the rules it has an effect on your reputation that you choose to flaunt them, as a role model you should have accepted your punishment and asked for forgiveness from the people that look up to you. The 10 percent over the speed limit plus 2 mph thing is just guidelines, and a police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately. So if you're being a dick or plod is having a bad day expect to get a penalty, 10 percent over is not the law. 10 years ago I had my career as a marine ended by a speeding driver, I was in a collision in a 30 zone, the official accident investigator judged he was doing between 55-60 mph, he came round a slight bend and couldn't keep it on his side of the road and hit us head on, myself and both my passengers were seriously injured and if i hadn't been driving a mitsubishi Shogun we would all have been killed, I had a broken back and collarbone + several ribs the other driver died at the scene. The other driver was racing to get to work where he was also a professional driver, his shift had started 10 mins before the collision with about 15 mins left to go He wasn't wearing a seatbelt and it turned out at the inquest his blood alcohol level was above the minimum from the night before's pub visit. the police tried to blame me saying I pulled out in front of him. The driving job he was rushing too ? He was a paramedic ! I was taken to the hospital he worked at, and lets just say the treatment i received was appalling (not the medical treatment the bedside treatment) the one thing that still sticks in my mind was a ward sister saying to me "so you're the bastard that killed Terry" That's the reason I have no sympathy for people caught speeding, speed kills and not always someone else. Also I fucking loved jumping out of helicopters and now I'm not allowed
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Post by Wß on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:01 GMT
I can see your point but there are vast differences between events and the reason a policeman would have discretion is for just such differences.
In your example the guy not only was speeding but also broke the law with an elevated BAL. There's the law, and in that case the law would be clear. But a judge's job is not to make an example of someone it's to be consistent and rule according to the law.
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Post by racechick on Mar 20, 2017 18:27:21 GMT
ichabod, that's a heart rending story. I can understand your viewpoint completely. I don't know what Susie's past discretions with speeding were. For me, someone creeping over a speed limit accidentally is a whole different thing to someone endangering others by dangerous / drunken / reckless driving. And I deplore using what should be a safety measure( speed cameras) for monetary gain by the police.
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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 18:38:19 GMT
I don't know how most of you lot can defend her.
She broke the law, MULTIPLE TIMES, and now pays the price!!
As someone who says she depends on her licence for her job, she should of known better and should of been more careful.
I had a bad run of it last year and got caught twice in a month. First time I did a speed awareness and 2nd time I had to take the 3 points and £95 fine.
Both times I was doing around 35 in a 30, just approaching a 60 zone.
So now I drive to the limit all the time. Much to annoyance of cars behind me. I'm careful because I can't afford the jacked insurance costs associated with 6 points.
If she has a heavy right foot and can't be careful she just needs to suck it up and take it.
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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 18:44:03 GMT
And I deplore using what should be a safety measure( speed cameras) for monetary gain by the police. The money generated from speeding fines goes to central government and not the police force issuing the fines. So saying police do it for money is a falsehood.
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Post by racechick on Mar 20, 2017 19:14:37 GMT
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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 19:44:10 GMT
I 100% disagree with your viewpoint RC.
How are the courses a scam? They are generally the same price as a speeding fine, and mean you don't get points or a hike in premiums.
And why would you argue with the people running the course ? Are you one of these people on the course that always think they are right and have no right being there as they have been hard done by ?
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Post by Wß on Mar 20, 2017 19:48:01 GMT
I bet her speeding wasn't accidentally, and I'm not defending her specifically it's just that... well in the UK I'd lose my license in months for sure because damn 5 MPH over the speed limit is harsh given a 10% deviation in speedometer accuracy alone.
And as far as drunk driving, any offense should be your LAST offense.
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Post by LRW on Mar 20, 2017 19:59:59 GMT
THe guideline is 10% +2mph = 35 in a 30.
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Post by Wß on Mar 20, 2017 20:02:58 GMT
THe guideline is 10% +2mph = 35 in a 30. and a small strategically placed downhill slope can wreak havoc with that guideline.
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