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Post by Frontrunner on May 24, 2015 14:42:01 GMT
Holy crap... it was lewis's decision to come in :O Still Mercedes mistake though, How Merc fucked that up i do not know. What a Bunch of Incompetent fools
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Post by Frontrunner on May 24, 2015 14:50:06 GMT
Unfuckingbelieveable. Love how Nico celebrates as if he'd won something. A bit harsh WB, What do you expect him to do? I would celebrate as well if i won a GP regardless if it was gift wrapped.
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Post by ang44 on May 24, 2015 14:50:39 GMT
Lewis is showing his class...by staying calm & not saying anything... I can't say the same...for myself I'm effin incensed by the incompetence of Merc...
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Post by RyRy on May 24, 2015 15:08:56 GMT
Unfuckingbelieveable. Love how Nico celebrates as if he'd won something. A bit harsh WB, What do you expect him to do? I would celebrate as well if i won a GP regardless if it was gift wrapped. I actually thought he was quite respectful, he showed a lot of respect, honesty and empathy after the race too when speaking to Sky Lewis is showing his class...by staying calm & not saying anything... I can't say the same...for myself I'm effin incensed by the incompetence of Merc... Lewis and Nicholas both responded very well to questions a lot of class and positivity even under such circumstances.
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Post by RyRy on May 24, 2015 15:29:26 GMT
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Post by ang44 on May 24, 2015 15:33:51 GMT
I think Rosberg learned a lot from Monaco/Spa shenanigans last year.. he is now the corporate dreambabe AND he will be laughing all the way...to more points in the wdc
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Post by Frontrunner on May 24, 2015 15:48:34 GMT
Lewis is still a ticking time bomb though, He is set to blow in the debrief. And how about the way Lewis was trying to destroy that P3 sign in parc ferme
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Post by Hammer on May 24, 2015 15:56:35 GMT
I always felt Vettel was a good guy mostly, his finger gives him a bad impression but he had no need to say that to Lewis. Clearly fancies Lewis more as a friend than his german air-head compatriot.
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Post by ang44 on May 24, 2015 16:11:16 GMT
/photo/1 I really don't know what Lewis much be thinking...I wish I could give him a big hug... as a thank-you for being the best & giving it everything... He has wrung everything out of himself to win for Merc And this is how they repay him...
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Post by Wß on May 24, 2015 16:34:13 GMT
FrontrunnerI didn't see the podium interviews since every station under the NBC umbrella decided to televise the futball games, so I don't know what Nice said or didn't during the interviews. I'd expect him not to celebrate it the way he did during the radio messages. Me? I'd have gone with a simple, nice to get the win guys but not one I didn't feel I earned. Sorry for Lewis, glad we still got P1 though. IMO that's much better than the same type of celebrations he did last year at Monaco post qualifying.
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Post by RyRy on May 24, 2015 16:36:15 GMT
Lewis is still a ticking time bomb though, He is set to blow in the debrief. And how about the way Lewis was trying to destroy that P3 sign in parc ferme I'm sure he'll blow to in the team debrief, probably walk out but he deserves to let some steam off. I always felt Vettel was a good guy mostly, his finger gives him a bad impression but he had no need to say that to Lewis. Clearly fancies Lewis more as a friend than his german air-head compatriot. He wasn't doing it out of spite... He was trying to reassure Hamilton which was a nice gesture. I really don't know what Lewis much be thinking...I wish I could give him a big hug... as a thank-you for being the best & giving it everything... He has wrung everything out of himself to win for Merc And this is how they repay him... It was gutting watching him on the podium and interviews, we all know how passionate he is and that must have been so tough after he did everything perfectly.
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Post by Hammer on May 24, 2015 16:43:10 GMT
Just to add though, I'm not saying Hamilton was to blame for this but I was wondering during the race why he was pulling such a big gap on Nico in the first place? He needed about 4-5 seconds max, to negotiate potential backmarkers but no more. He's always been content to win races as slow as possible but this time he was pushing more than required. If he had kept a closer distance, ironically the blunder might never have happened.
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Post by ang44 on May 24, 2015 17:04:00 GMT
Maybe he was allowing for a different strategy... Didn't he do an extra pit stop in Barca? He was ahead on on primes...& Merc called him in for new options? On a track, like today...where it's better to be ahead on older tyres...track position is everything...
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Post by Hammer on May 24, 2015 17:13:50 GMT
Their biggest slipup was calculating the gap between him and Nico. This was just a STUPID blunder, they tried to give Lewis all the armoury to finish the race strong but it failed miserably.
Toto Wolff: "What a crazy day. I don’t think there has ever been a more bittersweet feeling than this one. We have won the Monaco Grand Prix and we have lost the Monaco Grand Prix all at the same time. First of all, we must apologise to Lewis Hamilton. We win and we lose together and what I am proud of in this team is that we take collective responsibility. But this is a day when we simply have to say sorry to our driver, because our mistake cost him the victory here. What happened? In simple terms, we got our numbers wrong. We thought we had the gap for Lewis to take fresh tyres and come back out in the lead behind the Safety Car, ahead of Nico and covering off any risk of another competitor taking fresh tyres. But the calculation was incorrect and he came out in third place. It was our decision to call him in and our mistake, pure and simple; in these situations, a driver trusts his team. Lewis had driven flawlessly until then and really delivered a perfect weekend, with a stunning pole lap and a masterful race. There’s nothing more to say other than to highlight the grace with which he handled the situation; he was a leader and a true sportsman this afternoon. As for Nico Rosberg, he didn’t put a foot wrong all day, and it would be wrong if we didn’t take the time to recognise his achievement: a third consecutive win in Monaco is something only three other drivers in history have achieved before. It is a very special moment indeed and one for him to savour. He didn’t have the pace of Lewis today but, in this sport, you take the victories any way they come. This, too, is motor racing. We now need to stay calm and analyse how we made the mistake this afternoon. We will be harshly self-critical behind closed doors and this experience will make us a better and a stronger team in the races ahead. There is still a very long way to go in this championship and today showed that we have the performance in our car to do the job this year."
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This reeks of playing "too safe", a side effect of having a great car and overestimating your abilities. The guy who said "yes" to the question if Lewis had the gap, should be hanged.
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Post by ang44 on May 24, 2015 18:09:34 GMT
When Ferrari & Alonso where trying to win the WDC...at the last race of the season (2010?)They ffffup & Red Bull/Vettel did the better job of reading the situation as it opened up/developed on track. Ferrari strategist Chris Dyer was never seen on the pit lane again...did they hang him?...I dunno... I've just seen an interview were Lewis says that he thought the two drivers behind him had pitted & as his tyres were going off...he agreed to go in for a change of rubber... www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24181/9863686/sky-f1-experts-stunned-by-mercedes-pitting-of-lewis-hamiltonInterview is 3/4 way down page...
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Post by LRW on May 24, 2015 18:43:15 GMT
I really don't know what to say.
Gutted.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on May 24, 2015 19:32:06 GMT
A few thoughts after replacing a monitor and soothing my knuckles
1. Paddy Lowe made the ultimate call although the first call was to stay out, even if Lewis wanted to come in the pitwall strategist is the guy with an overview of the whole arena and is therefore responsible, not the guy in the field - this woul not have happened with Ross Brawn or Ron or FW. But we already knew Paddy was the weak link and this McLaren style 'headless chickens running the roost' scenario was gonna happen sooner or later
2. Lewis gave Nico an almighty spanking - nearly 30 seconds ahead in the same car at Monaco is Senna level legend in the making. And like Senna who was so far ahead of the field one time he crashed out and then went straight home over the barrier - in time this will add to the Lewis legend
3. I have finally come to the conclusion that these 2012 style team screwups around Lewis is simply due to the fact that he is so much better than anyone else the team or the strategists etc expect to deal with and he is beyond their normal range. e.g. if he hadnt spanked Nico by 30 seconds their would have been absolutely no question of pitting him.
4. Lewis is still leading, which is the result of having a buffer against team stupidity, if their process now improves or Lewis gets his own strategist etc, then its worth it.
5. The tonking Lewis dished out to Nico this race will mean the normal idiots saying 'the 2 are matched, theres only 10 points difference,' etc will be less able to discount his loss of 17 points due to team errors
6. Lewis' reaction, in the car and on the podium was great, compare that to Kimi effing and swearing and losing his rag over backmarkers - yet he is the iceman? maybe icecream boy
7. Max finally let his immaturity out, after a great race ruined by the pitstop. Mind you to be fair he has been threatning to do this for a while - compared to Sainz who finishes in the points again despite his own setback
So all in all, apart from the stats, whathappened was much better than Lewis crashing out (like senna did) or even having a car problem. Because just like after Spa, Nico has possibly earned the kind of cynisim he hated last year after Spa
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Post by the2ndcoming on May 24, 2015 19:49:17 GMT
I've held my words this long out of sheer respect for you lot.
Watching the Mercedes AMG team in the pit lane made me assume they were just throwing a "dummy" to Ferrari. I couldn't in my wildest dreams imagine they were actually going to bring Lewis in, regardless of gap to those following. If he made his super-soft last that long and he said they felt great at the end of the first stint, he could have cake-walked the soft for the rest of the race distance. He was brilliant at keeping his tyres fresh and there was so much more rubber down with only 15 laps to go, why on earth would you take him off the track and give away a clearly dominant win?
Once he pitted, I turned my TV off, collected the kids and the Mrs. to head to the beach. I simply couldn't watch anymore. What is normally a 5 minute drive to one of the nicest beaches in Florida felt like it took three hours. I was so pissed. Still am but...
Whoever the strategist is at Mercedes needs to be axed. He/she got easily outfoxed in Malaysia and again here in Monaco...and always at Lewis' expense. Just come out and say "Lewis, you're too good. We're gonna have to give Nico something to keep his spirits up." I would be OK with that. But don't do stuff like this and ask that Lewis and others accept it. Pretty pathetic for a team and brand that is supposed to be at the pinnacle of the sport.
(Got that off my chest. Time for Baileys & Cream on ice.)
Cheerz!
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Post by CookinFlat6 on May 24, 2015 20:24:08 GMT
Looking around other sites its obvious the h8rz are out to gloat. However the only point they have is seriously flawed - that it was Lewis' decision to come in. Stupidely they miss the point in their eagerness to make fools of themselves
Heres the reason - it doesnt matter if Lewis wanted to come in, or wanted to change his tyres, or thought others had pitted - its the pitwalls job to listen to the request and then work out if its doable. If Lewis had only been 5 seconds ahead he would have been told 'No Lewis, theres not enough of a gap,Nico has not pitted' simples
Therefore it is entirely the teams fault for not providing the right strategic decision full stop
Anyone saying it was Lewis' fault for wanting to come in doesnt understand F1 or are plain thick or worse
How many times have we heard the pitwall tell a driver 'negative driver A, you must stay out because etc etc etc' in this instant 'Lewis you dont have the gap and as track position is king and your teammate has not pitted, you hav to keep your tyres'
How many times have we heard 'Lewis, the gap is too much and there are only x laps left, lethim have this one'
Thats the whole point of having guys with crays bashing a million scenarios
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Post by pistnbroke on May 24, 2015 20:39:53 GMT
Wtf where merc thinking. I can not even think of a scenario where he needed to pit? Max reminds me of Koby
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