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Post by ang44 on May 24, 2015 21:33:28 GMT
After the race, Niki Lauda said " A Top Team should not make mistakes like this." Lewis was taking some of the blame himself...but like Cooki says, it's the pitwall. Some people, like Paddy Lowe, who are supposed to be super intelligent, cannot do simple arithmetic, there just wasn't enough time...
Some of us have been able to recognise Lewis' ability, super fast reactions etc. from first clapping eyes on him. I was so angry for him today, it meant so much to him to win in Monaco.
ITV News at Ten...have just said LH was leading the Monaco GP with 10 laps to go, when he was ordered into the pit lane & it gave his team mate Nico Rosberg the opportunity to win.
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Post by Hammer on May 25, 2015 3:44:22 GMT
Verstappen is saying Grosjean brake tested him. He either has a bit of an attitude problem or becoming slightly overconfident in his own abilities....clearly he is a fast driver and a talent, but he's trying too hard to be the 'next big thing' and all he caused was an ugly crash and a loss of easy points for TR again.
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Post by ang44 on May 25, 2015 7:21:50 GMT
Verstappen had been following a car that was getting by from Blue flags...he shared this info with his team. Lotus shared this with Grosjean...who let through the car that was entitled to blue flags, but shut the door on Max...because RG did not have to let him by.
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Post by pistnbroke on May 25, 2015 7:35:45 GMT
Verstappen is saying Grosjean brake tested him. He either has a bit of an attitude problem or becoming slightly overconfident in his own abilities....clearly he is a fast driver and a talent, but he's trying too hard to be the 'next big thing' and all he caused was an ugly crash and a loss of easy points for TR again. We are just seeing the issues that would/should be ironed out in lower formulas. The boy has some skills though. It would be good to have a known quantity to be put into the TR to see how good a job Max and Chilli are actually doing
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Post by racechick on May 25, 2015 7:35:49 GMT
If they'd brought Lewis in immediately the accident happened when the cars went to Virtual SC ( even though they didn't need to do it and shouldn't have done it) they'd have had plenty of time. As ut is they hung in and hung in until the worst moment when there was no time. Mental , crazy!! Even if Lewis asked yo come in, he should , as has been mentioned, been told no, too risky Why won't they get a decent strategist? Too many cockups and always at Lewis' expense. Lewis will lose confidence in the pit wall and that is a bad situation .
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Post by ang44 on May 25, 2015 8:30:36 GMT
If they'd brought Lewis in immediately the accident happened when the cars went to Virtual SC ( even though they didn't need to do it and shouldn't have done it) they'd have had plenty of time. As ut is they hung in and hung in until the worst moment when there was no time. Mental , crazy!! Even if Lewis asked yo come in, he should , as has been mentioned, been told no, too risky Why won't they get a decent strategist? Too many cockups and always at Lewis' expense. Lewis will lose confidence in the pit wall and that is a bad situation . This latest cock-up ...has more than a whiff of the inane decisions that often happened to Lewis at McLaren... Paddy Lowe seems to be the ditherer, who waited until it was too late...& then made a wrong call. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/11627296/Monaco-Grand-Prix-2015-Lewis-Hamiltons-dream-victory-shattered-by-Mercedes-strategy-blunder.htmlGood to see the British press supporting Lewis
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Post by CookinFlat6 on May 25, 2015 9:39:37 GMT
Stewart, Moss, daily heil and McNish will soon break cover to give their real views after public backlash has subsided and its safe for the h8rz on the streets
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Post by LRW on May 25, 2015 11:35:05 GMT
There must be somewhere I can write and complain to.
I've not felt as robbed of anything, as I do now, in such a long time.
I'd hate to have been Lewis on Sunday Evening.
A couple of notes about the podium. 1) again, really liking Vettel at the moment. Now that he isn't expected to win any of the races, I think the pressure is off. And the personality and humour he always had, is really coming through in the podium interviews. 2) Rosberg was not humble in his celebrations. IMO. Spraying champagne all over his engineers in a gloating triumph. I know he had the right to celebrate. And 3 monaco's in a row is a big thing. But it was too much. Too much.
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Post by the2ndcoming on May 25, 2015 11:40:41 GMT
WHAT THEY SAID THE NEXT MORNING:
A feeling of shock and disbelief at Mercedes’ decision to pit Lewis Hamilton in Monaco, costing him victory, dominated Monday’s back pages.
‘It’s the pits for Lewis’, was the Independent’s headline. ‘It’s pitiful for Lewis’ wrote the Daily Mail. The Sun went with ‘The fool Monte’.
‘Mercedes made one of the biggest cock-ups in F1 history. The British ace was romping to a landmark win when Merc bosses came up with the ludicrous decision to bring him into the pits,’ wrote The Sun’s Ben Hunt.
‘Quite how they managed to cock up Hamilton’s 21-second lead and hand the Monaco race on a plate to Nico Rosberg is astonishing.’
In the Telegraph, Daniel Johnson concurred: ‘A stunned, flabbergasted paddock was racking its brains for anything on this scale in the history of the sport. There were no suggestions forthcoming.’
The Times’ Kevin Eason went with a similar angle, describing it as the biggest mistake in 65 years of grand prix racing.
‘When the statisticians gather to find the biggest blunder in the history of motor racing, they will be all over this Monaco Grand Prix,' he wrote.
‘It was a victory for Nico Rosberg – the luckiest in his, or any, Formula 1 career – and a humiliating defeat for the banks of laptops and number-crunchers who robbed Lewis Hamilton of a defining moment in his sporting life.
‘This was like being 10-0 up with five minutes to go and still losing. Astonishing. Baffling. Incomprehensible. And the word incompetent should be added to the list.'
Eason suggested too much faith was placed in computers rather than relying on racing instinct, making a reference to a well-known British sketch.
‘Common sense and years of experience – even gut instinct – should surely have come into play’, he added. ‘This was the time when Mercedes should have told the computer, “No”.’
The Independent’s David Tremayne was equally scathing of the Mercedes decision makers: ‘It appeared that Hamilton’s victory was sacrificed on an altar of incompetence.'
Rather than placing all the blame on Mercedes, in the Guardian, Paul Weaver said Hamilton must shoulder some of the responsibility too.
‘Although the team must take the ultimate responsibility – and they did – Hamilton also had a say in the decision-making process, because he had a dialogue with them,’ he wrote.
With Damiler chairman Dr Dieter Zetsche in attendance, the Daily Mail commented on one theory that immediately was doing the rounds on Twitter: ‘One theory suggested maps, not maths, was at the root of it all: a German team pulling for a German driver in front of German board members, rather than for the Brit.'
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Post by Frontrunner on May 25, 2015 11:51:58 GMT
If the 'Merc blunder' didn't happen, I bet there would have been talk about how boring and dull that Monaco GP was and question if Monaco should be even be on the calender. The race was very lackluster up until the little cameo from Max with a couple of smart overtakes using Vettel to his advantage and then finally crashing out, which then causing all the drama with the Merc blunder that we are all talking about now.
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Post by LRW on May 25, 2015 11:55:09 GMT
With Damiler chairman Dr Dieter Zetsche in attendance, the Daily Mail commented on one theory that immediately was doing the rounds on Twitter: ‘ One theory suggested maps, not maths, was at the root of it all: a German team pulling for a German driver in front of German board members, rather than for the Brit.' And that quote shows exactly why I fucking hate the daily mail.
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Post by pistnbroke on May 25, 2015 13:29:30 GMT
Something that I also think has been overlooked in the race qudos to the RBR guys with switching the cars and then switching them back.
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Post by Wß on May 25, 2015 14:34:46 GMT
The conspiracy theories are laughable, In the end it's just a mistake. Hard to be mad at a company that's given you 150 million and a WDC and is set to hand you another one. Move on, and chalk this one up as an infamously memorable Monaco.
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Post by the2ndcoming on May 25, 2015 15:13:07 GMT
The conspiracy theories are laughable, In the end it's just a mistake. Hard to be mad at a company that's given you 150 million and a WDC and is set to hand you another one. Move on, and chalk this one up as an infamously memorable Monaco. Hard to "chalk this up" when you're writing $150 million checks only to do stuff like this. I would have expected that sort of faux pas from the likes of Manor...and even they don't do anything dodgy like this. For me, that was unforgivable. The driver you invest your F1 future in and the first thing out of the gate after signature hits the paper is you rob him of victory...one he worked so hard to get both in qualifying and then the race. Unforgivable. But that's just me...
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Post by CookinFlat6 on May 25, 2015 20:35:44 GMT
The only conspiracy I can think of is that Merc had to cut Paddy's and the strategist Vowles' wage in half to help fund Lewis' rise, resulting in both having to moonlight as taxi drivers in the evenings leading to a lack of sleep and leading to a lack of competency during the race
err hold on...that doesnt work because it would mean Paddy has been under paid since he was at McLaren, cos his competency at strategy and track side management has always been as bad
Seriously though, for me something like this has been on the cards since Ross left. Having the fastest cars has masked it so far
Also its a shame this incident has overshadowed the arse tearing Nico got on track, thats th most ccomprehensiv beating he has had yet and there can be absolutely no question even amongst the thickest h8rz that Nico can never ever win the WDC from Lewis on merit, and like last year Lewis has enough class to wear several incidents and still win
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Post by Hammer on May 26, 2015 7:46:33 GMT
The conspiracy theories are laughable, In the end it's just a mistake. Hard to be mad at a company that's given you 150 million and a WDC and is set to hand you another one. Move on, and chalk this one up as an infamously memorable Monaco. Hard to "chalk this up" when you're writing $150 million checks only to do stuff like this. I would have expected that sort of faux pas from the likes of Manor...and even they don't do anything dodgy like this. For me, that was unforgivable. The driver you invest your F1 future in and the first thing out of the gate after signature hits the paper is you rob him of victory...one he worked so hard to get both in qualifying and then the race. Unforgivable. But that's just me... They robbed him of victory due to their foolishness, not due to spite/agenda/etc. Their logic was correct - put Lewis out with the best tyres possible and finish the race easily first with no threat from behind, their error was calculating the gap between himself and Nico at the time of pitstop which was VERY stupid. I can't believe they'd even attempt a conspiracy or whatever, doing something like this is as obvious to the world as Nico cutting Lewis' tyre at Spa last year.
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Post by Hammer on May 26, 2015 7:47:43 GMT
The only conspiracy I can think of is that Merc had to cut Paddy's and the strategist Vowles' wage in half to help fund Lewis' rise, resulting in both having to moonlight as taxi drivers in the evenings leading to a lack of sleep and leading to a lack of competency during the race err hold on...that doesnt work because it would mean Paddy has been under paid since he was at McLaren, cos his competency at strategy and track side management has always been as bad Seriously though, for me something like this has been on the cards since Ross left. Having the fastest cars has masked it so farAlso its a shame this incident has overshadowed the arse tearing Nico got on track, thats th most ccomprehensiv beating he has had yet and there can be absolutely no question even amongst the thickest h8rz that Nico can never ever win the WDC from Lewis on merit, and like last year Lewis has enough class to wear several incidents and still win
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Post by the2ndcoming on May 26, 2015 13:28:33 GMT
Hard to "chalk this up" when you're writing $150 million checks only to do stuff like this. I would have expected that sort of faux pas from the likes of Manor...and even they don't do anything dodgy like this. For me, that was unforgivable. The driver you invest your F1 future in and the first thing out of the gate after signature hits the paper is you rob him of victory...one he worked so hard to get both in qualifying and then the race. Unforgivable. But that's just me... They robbed him of victory due to their foolishness, not due to spite/agenda/etc. Their logic was correct - put Lewis out with the best tyres possible and finish the race easily first with no threat from behind, their error was calculating the gap between himself and Nico at the time of pitstop which was VERY stupid. I can't believe they'd even attempt a conspiracy or whatever, doing something like this is as obvious to the world as Nico cutting Lewis' tyre at Spa last year. I'm not suggesting conspiracy. I'm saying without a doubt, the dumbs thing a team could do. And by team I mean, a group of, by their account, smart people, not one of whom had their head switched on to go, "Wait...what are we doing? Why on earth are we bringing Lewis in from the lead with only 14 laps to go on a track you can't pass on? Especially when he was doing the best job of keeping his tyres fresh while flogging the rest of the field. Why are we doing this again?" Not one smart person. That's what makes me pissy!
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Post by ang44 on May 26, 2015 17:03:38 GMT
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Post by racechick on May 26, 2015 17:19:44 GMT
It's really frustrating that no one seems able to think with a clear head on the pit wall. I've seen it written that Toto has apologised to Lewis and his engineers, which suggests it was a decision not from Lewis' side of the garage, but a central one. I've also seen that they're having an inquest about it at Mercedes everyone appears angry right up to Daimler top guy. So let's just hope they sort out the pit wall. .....
Or maybe as the less clear thinking of the Hatrz are suggesting, they just do away with the pit wall altogether, fit GPS to Lewis' car and wire him up to the pitwall. I mean come on, he's got it easy just sitting there driving!
They don't appear to have anyone at Mercedes who can fill ROSS' role. We said it at the time. I hope this fiasco ensures they put someone in place who can do the job.
On Verstappen. I can't get too upset about that. He tried, and good for him for doing that. I actually thought he'd made it and was chearing him, then whoosh, it was over. I've seen suggestions that Grosjean braked earlier that time, but Ive no idea if he did. I dont think Max did a dreadful thing, a slight misjudgement, a racing incident........ With dire consequences for Lewis!
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