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Post by pistnbroke on May 26, 2015 17:27:08 GMT
They robbed him of victory due to their foolishness, not due to spite/agenda/etc. Their logic was correct - put Lewis out with the best tyres possible and finish the race easily first with no threat from behind, their error was calculating the gap between himself and Nico at the time of pitstop which was VERY stupid. I can't believe they'd even attempt a conspiracy or whatever, doing something like this is as obvious to the world as Nico cutting Lewis' tyre at Spa last year. I'm not suggesting conspiracy. I'm saying without a doubt, the dumbs thing a team could do. And by team I mean, a group of, by their account, smart people, not one of whom had their head switched on to go, "Wait...what are we doing? Why on earth are we bringing Lewis in from the lead with only 14 laps to go on a track you can't pass on? Especially when he was doing the best job of keeping his tyres fresh while flogging the rest of the field. Why are we doing this again?" Not one smart person. That's what makes me pissy! I have thought about that but maybe they all thought that the person who made the decision because he knew something they did not.
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Post by ang44 on May 26, 2015 17:45:29 GMT
www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-what-made-mercedes-get-it-so-very-wrongYou've probably read that Lewis wasn't told that Rosberg & Vettel hadn't been into the pits. And the big problem,, that in the swimming pool area...Lewis caught up with the safety car, which had been busy waving other drivers through. He had to slow down to Maylander's speed for a couple of corners, before he went into pit lane. Whilst Rosberg & Vettel were going as fast as rules allowed.
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Post by Wß on May 26, 2015 21:57:36 GMT
I'm not suggesting conspiracy. I'm saying without a doubt, the dumbs thing a team could do. And by team I mean, a group of, by their account, smart people, not one of whom had their head switched on to go, "Wait...what are we doing? Why on earth are we bringing Lewis in from the lead with only 14 laps to go on a track you can't pass on? Especially when he was doing the best job of keeping his tyres fresh while flogging the rest of the field. Why are we doing this again?" Not one smart person. That's what makes me pissy! I have thought about that but maybe they all thought that the person who made the decision because he knew something they did not. It the same person or group of persons that made the descision to pit Hamilton on to soft compound in Barcelona while he was leading the race. He could have stayed out and made Nico overtake him, instead we got a compromise that was the worst outcome for everyone except Nico. It's happened twice now. I'm not saying there's a conspiracy but twice the judgement has gone against Lewis' favor. IMO, if you pay a guy 150 million dollars for three years because you think he's the best driver money can buy... then let him drive. He obviously doen't need the strategy to win and it's now cost his one race for sure, potentially two.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on May 26, 2015 22:33:32 GMT
It could be that Merc fully expect Lewis to properly waste Nico given the chance, and maybe for the brand, and for F1, and for the thickos who whinge about Merc too good, they want to keep Nico looking like a race driver. If anything this would actually enhance their 150mill investments brand value. And if he is so good, then at 150mill plus keep his car+keep his branding etc - he needs see the big picture
I would not actually be too upset if this was the case but there is no way Paddy, Toto and co are competent enough to deliver this level of resource macro management, let alone do it without telling Niki
Lewis is gonna tonk Nico regardless, only the very dumbest minority of h8rz would have said Nico actually has a chance, or that Nico drove any type of heroic race in the best car that Seb, Sainz, Max, RoGro, Nasr or Kyviat wouldnt have done probably better. Seb would have battered him in the same car
Lewis should be more concerned about winning 4 WDCs in a row than dropping 10 points to a guy he whipped by 30 seconds in the same car in Monaco
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Post by RyRy on May 27, 2015 2:47:28 GMT
I said the same last year Cookin about the gaps, just look at all of the races...
The races where Lewis was leading and then suffered reliability problems or suffered by safety cars coming out he was significantly up the road, yet when it was the other way round Lewis was not far behind Rosberg at all.
The races when neither driver had reliability problems Lewis just ran away with them, there was only I think 1 race last year where Lewis didn't run away and that was Spain which has never been a track Lewis has excelled at. The other way round Lewis was right on the back of Rosberg even with mistakes like we saw at Brazil and given a couple more laps and Lewis would have re-taken 1st.
Nico and the team will undoubtedly know, feel and see this. Like it or not Nico is a number 2 driver just ensuring that Lewis has a rear gunner and they can comfortably win the WCC, exactly how Webber became.
It's better for a team to have two good drivers like Nico and Lewis but you always want and need one to be comfortably better than the other. I still rate Nico and he can in one lap pace take it to Hamilton which is good for both drivers and the team but he just doesn't have Hamiltons race pace or skills.
McLaren are in a good place with Alonso and Button in this regard, not sure about Red Bull at the moment (need another year with Kvyat at the wheel). I don't think the Ferrari partnership is correct at the moment, Ferrari need a clear number 2. Kimi's not the sort of driver who will easily conform to multi-21 type orders or "Vettel is faster than you, do you understand"
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Post by ang44 on May 27, 2015 10:29:40 GMT
It could be that Merc fully expect Lewis to properly waste Nico given the chance, and maybe for the brand, and for F1, and for the thickos who whinge about Merc too good, they want to keep Nico looking like a race driver. If anything this would actually enhance their 150mill investments brand value. And if he is so good, then at 150mill plus keep his car+keep his branding etc - he needs see the big picture I would not actually be too upset if this was the case but there is no way Paddy, Toto and co are competent enough to deliver this level of resource macro management, let alone do it without telling Niki Lewis is gonna tonk Nico regardless, only the very dumbest minority of h8rz would have said Nico actually has a chance, or that Nico drove any type of heroic race in the best car that Seb, Sainz, Max, RoGro, Nasr or Kyviat wouldnt have done probably better. Seb would have battered him in the same car Lewis should be more concerned about winning 4 WDCs in a row than dropping 10 points to a guy he whipped by 30 seconds in the same car in Monaco You're right... There are many instances where Lewis has been compromised, incl. Hockenheim last year...when Sutil spun, just after the last corner coming on to the pit straight...Marshalls were on the track...but no safety car...because LH was catching Nico, it seemed that risking lives was less important than risking Lewis winning the race in Germany...where a German winner might encourage more German bums on seats... . Not a conspiracy...more a chance to add some excitement ...when he has to fight his way through the field... He gets exciting racing, big wage & the bigger picture, more WDCs FOM ...last year asked dubious character to help them liven up the races...his experience in the Piquet/wall incident must have helped... Needs Ross to come back...last Sunday...certainly wouldn't have happened on his watch...
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