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Post by RyRy on Jul 5, 2015 13:42:31 GMT
Get your comments in now! All the more for you to eat in about 2 hours! I'm not eating my words Mistake number 2 from Hamilton. Pressure already getting to him Hardly a big mistake, he lost out a place but nearly got a place and ultimately he got those places back. Lucky lucky boy with that rain. Rosberg just gave him a quick lesson in how to drive in the wet. Also, it was a good team move from Williams that got Hamilton in the lead and gave him fresh air. Rosberg has definitely driven a better race so far Except Lewis was faster in the wet, Rosberg started catching after the rain stopped and that was because Hamilton lost tire temperature and pressure, Rosberg was helped out with both by being behind a car, look at Massa, Bottas and Hamilton all suddenly lost tyre temperature and pressure, ultimately time and places because they were all in relatively clear air. Mercedes made the call that got them the win, Mercedes are nearly a second faster in clear air, that's all he needed... Plus they went for the undercut. or a pre wet schooling I should say Lol...
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Post by natny on Jul 5, 2015 13:50:41 GMT
Hamilton claiming he made the call to come in which I believe. Al though he clearly panicked and had to do something as Rosberg was up his ass. Then got extremely lucky with the rain.
Hamilton made more mistakes and in the end it was a good pit stop and a bit of luck that handed him the win.
Performance wise....I told you so!!!
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Post by LRW on Jul 5, 2015 14:06:08 GMT
Hamilton claiming he made the call to come in which I believe. Al though he clearly panicked and had to do something as Rosberg was up his ass. Then got extremely lucky with the rain. Hamilton made more mistakes and in the end it was a good pit stop and a bit of luck that handed him the win. Performance wise....I told you so!!! Where was Nicos performance, when he sat behind the Williams for half the race? Mercedes shouting down the radio "come on Nico give it everything". And he just dawdles along like my grandad on a Sunday afternoon.
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Post by Wß on Jul 5, 2015 14:07:02 GMT
Hamilton made more mistakes... interesting point of view. You said Rosberg would win, so don't know what the I told you so part of what you told us means. I guess in the end you could just say this one was lucky for Lewis just like Monaco was lucky for Rosberg yes?
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 5, 2015 14:07:57 GMT
Rosberg was only better than Hamilton last year at like 4 races and we're back onto the races where Hamilton came alive again, Silverstone is usually one of Hamilton's best races Post of the thread!
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Post by natny on Jul 5, 2015 14:14:09 GMT
PERFORMANCE WISE Rosberg was much better. Which supports everything I said before the race. Hence, I told you so.
Hamilton definitely seemed mentally weaker which I said before hand. Panicking into the pits, a mistake early to give away position, off the track, buckling under Rosberg pressure before the rain came.
Hamilton got fresh air because of his team. Rosberg was still stuck behind the Williams. A much trickier position.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 5, 2015 14:29:57 GMT
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Post by Wß on Jul 5, 2015 14:38:13 GMT
Well here's how I see it. Hamilton pushing hard after a poor start (that was better than Rosberg's BTW as Lewis only lost one position) tries to push hard to regain the lead immediately. Why? Well because he's talented and was giving it his all in front of the British fans.
Then Rosberg completely falls behind after the first round of pit stops, not able to get around either of the Williams cars even though he had so much pace as you say.
Then the VSC and Rosber is lucky to find himself behind other cars as he's able to keep up his tire temps which is what allows him to storm up from behind while Hamilton in clean air struggled with tire temps. Why is only Lewis that's lucky when he makes the right call, and it's always Rosberg's skill that gets him in front when he moves up? IDK, maybe that Britons are fucking warped in that they Support Button and Raikkonen even though Lewis drove and won for the same team while neighter Raikkonen nor Button did? Britons are fuckign warped when the third winningest driver in the sport is faulted for his every move while clearly guys that couldn't wipe his ass get given a free pass again and again?
Just maybe Hamiltons panicked into the pits was making the right call after seeing the circuit change while Rosberg so fixated on gaining the lead couldn't see the forest for the trees... couldn't be that, no because Rosberg is clearly better, clearly superior yet keeps coming up short. How does that work?
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 5, 2015 14:49:24 GMT
*Only some Brits - the same ones who look down on ambition, the same ones who key your Porsche at least once every year for the last 10 years, the same ones who use the class system as an excuse for being losers, the same ones who accept disturbing behaviour from your Jimmy Savilles and who know their place, the same ones who made the British motor industry as great as it is today
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Post by Hammer on Jul 5, 2015 14:54:10 GMT
PERFORMANCE WISE Rosberg was much better. Which supports everything I said before the race. Hence, I told you so. Hamilton definitely seemed mentally weaker which I said before hand. Panicking into the pits, a mistake early to give away position, off the track, buckling under Rosberg pressure before the rain came. Hamilton got fresh air because of his team. Rosberg was still stuck behind the Williams. A much trickier position. Yes because the air behind Hamilton (+10seconds) wasn't fresh enough for Rosberg to put pressure on his mentally weaker teammate.
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Post by Wß on Jul 5, 2015 14:57:54 GMT
Funny though that Rosberg lost time on Hamilton on the inters... what gives there? Somehow the logic of Rosberg being faster and having better pace, doesn't quite add up when you look at the numbers and you look at the results.
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Post by RyRy on Jul 5, 2015 15:00:14 GMT
Hamilton claiming he made the call to come in which I believe. Al though he clearly panicked and had to do something as Rosberg was up his ass. Then got extremely lucky with the rain. Hamilton made more mistakes and in the end it was a good pit stop and a bit of luck that handed him the win. Performance wise....I told you so!!! Hamilton did make the call, he claimed it and so did some of the team (Except Lauda for some reason) and it was the right call, he was starting to struggle because tyre temps had dropped, if they had both stayed out they could well of had a crash because both cars would have been struggling. I count 1 mistake... that was when he tried to overtake Massa after the safety car, which was the right thing to do as it was a worthwhile risk, nearly worked out beautifully, if he had controlled the lockup a tiny bit more he would of had the inside line. Hamilton won, by 12+ seconds thus the performance was on Hamiltons side. You can't say a 4 lap post-rain bit of speed makes Rosberg faster. Where was Nicos performance, when he sat behind the Williams for half the race? Mercedes shouting down the radio "come on Nico give it everything". And he just dawdles along like my grandad on a Sunday afternoon. I didn't see any improvement when he was told to push several times. Rosberg was only better than Hamilton last year at like 4 races and we're back onto the races where Hamilton came alive again, Silverstone is usually one of Hamilton's best races Post of the thread! I was pretty confident with that statement too, so I'm happy that I called it right. PERFORMANCE WISE Rosberg was much better. Which supports everything I said before the race. Hence, I told you so. Hamilton definitely seemed mentally weaker which I said before hand. Panicking into the pits, a mistake early to give away position, off the track, buckling under Rosberg pressure before the rain came. Hamilton got fresh air because of his team. Rosberg was still stuck behind the Williams. A much trickier position. Hamilton mentally weaker... how on earth do you come to that conclusion?! He didn't panick, he went into the pits when his tyres were out of grip and switched to the intermediates. I said outloud "not inters, not inters, not inters" and he put inters on... the commentators all agreed on BBC and Sky and even all of the chatrooms, Vettel dived into the pits too and we were all proven wrong. Well here's how I see it. Hamilton pushing hard after a poor start (that was better than Rosberg's BTW as Lewis only lost one position) tries to push hard to regain the lead immediately. Why? Well because he's talented and was giving it his all in front of the British fans. Then Rosberg completely falls behind after the first round of pit stops, not able to get around either of the Williams cars even though he had so much pace as you say. Then the VSC and Rosber is lucky to find himself behind other cars as he's able to keep up his tire temps which is what allows him to storm up from behind while Hamilton in clean air struggled with tire temps. Why is only Lewis that's lucky when he makes the right call, and it's always Rosberg's skill that gets him in front when he moves up? IDK, maybe that Britons are fucking warped in that they Support Button and Raikkonen even though Lewis drove and won for the same team while neighter Raikkonen nor Button did? Britons are fuckign warped when the third winningest driver in the sport is faulted for his every move while clearly guys that couldn't wipe his ass get given a free pass again and again? Just maybe Hamiltons panicked into the pits was making the right call after seeing the circuit change while Rosberg so fixated on gaining the lead couldn't see the forest for the trees... couldn't be that, no because Rosberg is clearly better, clearly superior yet keeps coming up short. How does that work? I really liked the VSC, much better than safety cars. You're spot on with everything you've said up until the last part, it wasn't a panic but I can certainly understand how people could see it like that. He just pitted when his tyres had died which is the right thing to do, every time.
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Post by natny on Jul 5, 2015 15:06:08 GMT
We're going around in circles. I stand by my previous posts!
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Post by Wß on Jul 5, 2015 15:09:58 GMT
We're going around in circles. I stand by my previous posts! Your goose egg hatched!
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Post by Hammer on Jul 5, 2015 15:11:29 GMT
And he's way ahead of Andrew already.
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Post by CookinFlat6 on Jul 5, 2015 15:11:33 GMT
@ Ryry
I think Lauda meant the first pit stop undercut was the teams call. Also Lauda said that after the rain started Nico was risking whilst Lewis was being cautious - but that could confuse some without full wits into assuming the guy leading quali 8-1 was the SLOWER driver for those few laps
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Post by RyRy on Jul 5, 2015 15:17:45 GMT
@ Ryry I think Lauda meant the first pit stop undercut was the teams call. Also Lauda said that after the rain started Nico was risking whilst Lewis was being cautious - but that could confuse some without full wits into assuming the guy leading quali 8-1 was the SLOWER driver for those few laps Good spot, I missunderstood
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